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#1 ·
Here's an interesting article.

http://autoextremist.com/page2.shtml#Rant

I also like to add to his column that Ford was a happening car company
back in the late mid/late 80's too. GM and Chrysler were offering
nothing at the time while Ford had the trend-setting Taurus, the cool
turbo T-birds, the neat 5-liter Lincoln Mark VIIs and Cougars, and of
course, the performance bargin on the decade, the 5-liter Mustangs. In
the 80s, Ford was the only American alternative to the imports.

But for about the last 10 plus years, Ford has only had one or two
decent players in the lineup at a time. Of course the Mustang has been
a solid hitter that has been only getting better over the years. The
Lightning pickup produced a few hits over the years, the Focus had a
lot of potential and has scored a few runs, and the GT was a pretty
awesome designated hitter, but other than those players, there hasn't
been much. Other than some guaranteed future homeruns from the Mustang
(GT500, CS, etc.), and maybe a hit or two from the upcoming 390HP Sport
Trac, there doesn't seem to be any good players coming to Ford's
lineup.

What are everyone else's thoughts?

Patrick
'93 Cobra
 
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#2 ·
NoOption5L@aol.com wrote in news:1122605075.692455.109340
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Here's an interesting article.
>
> http://autoextremist.com/page2.shtml#Rant
>
> I also like to add to his column that Ford was a happening car

company
> back in the late mid/late 80's too. GM and Chrysler were offering
> nothing at the time while Ford had the trend-setting Taurus, the

cool
> turbo T-birds, the neat 5-liter Lincoln Mark VIIs and Cougars, and

of
> course, the performance bargin on the decade, the 5-liter Mustangs.

In
> the 80s, Ford was the only American alternative to the imports.
>
> But for about the last 10 plus years, Ford has only had one or two
> decent players in the lineup at a time. Of course the Mustang has

been
> a solid hitter that has been only getting better over the years.

The
> Lightning pickup produced a few hits over the years, the Focus had a
> lot of potential and has scored a few runs, and the GT was a pretty
> awesome designated hitter, but other than those players, there

hasn't
> been much. Other than some guaranteed future homeruns from the

Mustang
> (GT500, CS, etc.), and maybe a hit or two from the upcoming 390HP

Sport
> Trac, there doesn't seem to be any good players coming to Ford's
> lineup.
>
> What are everyone else's thoughts?
>
> Patrick
> '93 Cobra


DC's got the best lineup for '06.
 
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#3 ·
The domestic auto industry is over. A perfect storm is coming,
consisting of (1) costs of funds from the incessant need for rebates to
move the product, (2) liabilities for pension and health benefits, (3)
consumer bias against or indifference to the domestic product due to
bad or NO experience with domestic products among the majority of
Americans born since 1980, and (4) heavy dependence on inefficient
trucks and SUV's, a market that is due to collapse because of
escalating fuel costs and because it was faddish and irrational in the
first place and because Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are positioned to
take what's left. Oh, yeah, and imports are better buys and in many
cases are even back to being cheaper, feature for feature.

180 Out
 
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#4 ·
IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they
have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their
passenger car designs. Wait until SUV sales crater when gasoline prices
remain at over $2 a gallon indefinitely. Ford and GM will really go
into panic mode.

NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
> Here's an interesting article.
>
> http://autoextremist.com/page2.shtml#Rant
>
> I also like to add to his column that Ford was a happening car company
> back in the late mid/late 80's too. GM and Chrysler were offering
> nothing at the time while Ford had the trend-setting Taurus, the cool
> turbo T-birds, the neat 5-liter Lincoln Mark VIIs and Cougars, and of
> course, the performance bargin on the decade, the 5-liter Mustangs. In
> the 80s, Ford was the only American alternative to the imports.
>
> But for about the last 10 plus years, Ford has only had one or two
> decent players in the lineup at a time. Of course the Mustang has been
> a solid hitter that has been only getting better over the years. The
> Lightning pickup produced a few hits over the years, the Focus had a
> lot of potential and has scored a few runs, and the GT was a pretty
> awesome designated hitter, but other than those players, there hasn't
> been much. Other than some guaranteed future homeruns from the Mustang
> (GT500, CS, etc.), and maybe a hit or two from the upcoming 390HP Sport
> Trac, there doesn't seem to be any good players coming to Ford's
> lineup.
>
> What are everyone else's thoughts?
>
> Patrick
> '93 Cobra
>
 
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#5 ·
<one80out@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1122606205.291110.233280@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The domestic auto industry is over. A perfect storm is coming,
> consisting of (1) costs of funds from the incessant need for rebates to
> move the product, (2) liabilities for pension and health benefits, (3)
> consumer bias against or indifference to the domestic product due to
> bad or NO experience with domestic products among the majority of
> Americans born since 1980, and (4) heavy dependence on inefficient
> trucks and SUV's, a market that is due to collapse because of
> escalating fuel costs and because it was faddish and irrational in the
> first place and because Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are positioned to
> take what's left. Oh, yeah, and imports are better buys and in many
> cases are even back to being cheaper, feature for feature.
>
> 180 Out
>


The GM rebates and employee discounts must of worked. They are way low on
stock now. How convenient, the 06's are about here:) Buick is going to
re-badge the new GTO. Yep, the new Gran Sport. To bad Oldsmobile is dead:)

Al
 
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#6 ·
On 28 Jul 2005 20:03:25 -0700, one80out@hotmail.com wrote:

>The domestic auto industry is over. A perfect storm is coming,
>consisting of (1) costs of funds from the incessant need for rebates to
>move the product, (2) liabilities for pension and health benefits, (3)
>consumer bias against or indifference to the domestic product due to
>bad or NO experience with domestic products among the majority of
>Americans born since 1980, and (4) heavy dependence on inefficient
>trucks and SUV's, a market that is due to collapse because of
>escalating fuel costs and because it was faddish and irrational in the
>first place and because Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are positioned to
>take what's left. Oh, yeah, and imports are better buys and in many
>cases are even back to being cheaper, feature for feature.
>
>180 Out
>

Well yes & no. The merger of Mercedes & Chrysler was billed at the
creation of the first "Global" car maker, but it has existed for quite
awhile now. More and more the major manufactures are integrated with
joint venture/ownership programs, joint manufacturing capabilities,
and even joint design facilities. Once upon a time Mazda made
mini-pickups for Ford, now Ford makes mini-pickups for Mazda.
--

Please Don't Steal - The Government Hates Competition

ZombyWoof
(take the dogs when replying via e-mail)
 
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#7 ·
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 23:45:17 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
<cds@erols.com> wrote:

>IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they
>have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their
>passenger car designs. Wait until SUV sales crater when gasoline prices
>remain at over $2 a gallon indefinitely. Ford and GM will really go
>into panic mode.
>

The reason they did was that the profit margins on SUV's were huge.
Ford really could believe how much they were making on their SUV line
and the fact that they couldn't make them big enough for some people.

>NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
>> Here's an interesting article.
>>
>> http://autoextremist.com/page2.shtml#Rant
>>
>> I also like to add to his column that Ford was a happening car company
>> back in the late mid/late 80's too. GM and Chrysler were offering
>> nothing at the time while Ford had the trend-setting Taurus, the cool
>> turbo T-birds, the neat 5-liter Lincoln Mark VIIs and Cougars, and of
>> course, the performance bargin on the decade, the 5-liter Mustangs. In
>> the 80s, Ford was the only American alternative to the imports.
>>
>> But for about the last 10 plus years, Ford has only had one or two
>> decent players in the lineup at a time. Of course the Mustang has been
>> a solid hitter that has been only getting better over the years. The
>> Lightning pickup produced a few hits over the years, the Focus had a
>> lot of potential and has scored a few runs, and the GT was a pretty
>> awesome designated hitter, but other than those players, there hasn't
>> been much. Other than some guaranteed future homeruns from the Mustang
>> (GT500, CS, etc.), and maybe a hit or two from the upcoming 390HP Sport
>> Trac, there doesn't seem to be any good players coming to Ford's
>> lineup.
>>
>> What are everyone else's thoughts?
>>
>> Patrick
>> '93 Cobra
>>


--

Please Don't Steal - The Government Hates Competition

ZombyWoof
(take the dogs when replying via e-mail)
 
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#8 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
news:ppudnaNJXb3UO3TfRVn-rA@giganews.com...
> IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they
> have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their
> passenger car designs. Wait until SUV sales crater when gasoline prices
> remain at over $2 a gallon indefinitely. Ford and GM will really go
> into panic mode.


I agree with your comments about Ford. However, how is Toyota any different?
The Toyota car line is a collection of slightly warmed over old designs. The
Camry is in exactly the same position as the Taurus was in 5 years ago - An
aging, now mediocre design, selling well based on past glory but woefully
outdated. Except for the Prius (truly a niche car), there is not a single
Toyota car that can be considered outstanding. At least Ford has the Mustang
to generate a little excitement. What has Toyota got - the Avalon? Give me a
break, even the Buick La Crosse is more exciting. Meanwhile, like Ford,
Toyota has spent millions (billions?) on SUVs and Trucks - 4Runner,
Highlander, RAV4, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, Tacoma, Tundra. So why shouldn't
Toyota go into panic mode along with Ford and GM?

At least Nissan and Honda have a few interesting cars, although they too
have been lured into the SUV and truck market to some extent.

Ed
 
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#9 ·
Actually it is kinda sad thet Olds is gone. I acutally, surprisngly,
wish it was still around and could go back to some of its heritage. I
read about older Olds (ok punnish phrase for the day there) and it was a
pretty hot car type. Luxury and power.


"Big Al" <nospamsal1@qwest.net> wrote in
news:fvjGe.63$nN3.12965@news.uswest.net:


> The GM rebates and employee discounts must of worked. They are way low
> on stock now. How convenient, the 06's are about here:) Buick is going
> to re-badge the new GTO. Yep, the new Gran Sport. To bad Oldsmobile is
> dead:)
>
> Al
>
>
>
 
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#10 ·
C. E. White wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:ppudnaNJXb3UO3TfRVn-rA@giganews.com...
>
>>IMO, Ford has paid far too much attention to selling SUVs. While they
>>have done this the imports have eaten their lunch by improving their
>>passenger car designs. Wait until SUV sales crater when gasoline prices
>>remain at over $2 a gallon indefinitely. Ford and GM will really go
>>into panic mode.

>
>
> I agree with your comments about Ford. However, how is Toyota any different?
> The Toyota car line is a collection of slightly warmed over old designs. The
> Camry is in exactly the same position as the Taurus was in 5 years ago - An
> aging, now mediocre design, selling well based on past glory but woefully
> outdated. Except for the Prius (truly a niche car), there is not a single
> Toyota car that can be considered outstanding. At least Ford has the Mustang
> to generate a little excitement. What has Toyota got - the Avalon? Give me a
> break, even the Buick La Crosse is more exciting. Meanwhile, like Ford,
> Toyota has spent millions (billions?) on SUVs and Trucks - 4Runner,
> Highlander, RAV4, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, Tacoma, Tundra. So why shouldn't
> Toyota go into panic mode along with Ford and GM?
>
> At least Nissan and Honda have a few interesting cars, although they too
> have been lured into the SUV and truck market to some extent.


The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The
typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency
and quality. It doesn't have to be exciting, just what they expect.
 
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#11 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
news:vbGdnVigO49tkG3fRVn-hQ@giganews.com...

> The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The
> typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency
> and quality. It doesn't have to be exciting, just what they expect.


I suppose you are right. It does appear the typical Toyota buyer is looking
for consistently boring cars and mediocre quality. I guess people get what
they deserve.

Ed
 
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#12 ·
C. E. White wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:vbGdnVigO49tkG3fRVn-hQ@giganews.com...
>
>
>>The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The
>>typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency
>>and quality. It doesn't have to be exciting, just what they expect.

>
>
> I suppose you are right. It does appear the typical Toyota buyer is looking
> for consistently boring cars and mediocre quality. I guess people get what
> they deserve.


Toyotas may be boring but they are not mediocre quality. They aren't
top notch either. Many people keep buying them because they know that
Toyota's quality is fairly high and very consistent. They also have
good resale value too.
 
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#14 ·
C. E. White wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:vbGdnVigO49tkG3fRVn-hQ@giganews.com...
>
>
>>The Japanese have cultivated their buyers over several years. The
>>typical buyer is looking for exactly what Toyota delivers, consistency
>>and quality. It doesn't have to be exciting, just what they expect.

>
>
> I suppose you are right. It does appear the typical Toyota buyer is looking
> for consistently boring cars and mediocre quality. I guess people get what
> they deserve.
>
> Ed
>
>


What are Nissan owners looking for?

--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
 
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#15 ·
R P wrote:
> Trouble is the "new-gto" is only a "glorified" Chevrolet......Pontiac
> hasn't been Pontiac since they quit making their own engines........new
> GTO.......phewy!!
>


Actually it's an unglorified Holden.

--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
 
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#17 ·
"elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:3lm0i9F12q01sU5@individual.net...
> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
> news:thzIe.621$ah4.166
> @lakeread05:
>
>> What are Nissan owners looking for?

>
> SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"


Is VW still looking for drivers?

dwight
 
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#18 ·
elaich wrote:
> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in news:thzIe.621$ah4.166
> @lakeread05:
>
>
>>What are Nissan owners looking for?

>
>
> SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"


Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D

--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
 
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#19 ·
dwight wrote:
> "elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:3lm0i9F12q01sU5@individual.net...
>
>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166
>>@lakeread05:
>>
>>
>>>What are Nissan owners looking for?

>>
>>SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"

>
>
> Is VW still looking for drivers?
>
> dwight
>
>


No, but I understand their drivers are looking for service quite a
lot lately.

--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
 
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#20 ·
WindsorFox[SS] wrote:

>> Is VW still looking for drivers?
>>
>> dwight
>>
>>

>
> No, but I understand their drivers are looking for service quite a
> lot lately.
>

The new VW's are crap. Amazing how cheap and easy I can fix an old 65
but it costs me 10 x that to fix a new Beetle. Friend of mine got a New
Beetle in 2003. She's had it in the shop 3 times already. Apparently VW
still hasn't figured out the best way to wire shit together. Vintage VW
lovers have a severe grudge against VWoA, so whether they're looking for
drivers or not they can kiss our ass.

K.
 
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#21 ·
"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
news:sGrJe.792$ah4.736@lakeread05:

> elaich wrote:
>> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>> news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05:
>>
>>
>>>What are Nissan owners looking for?

>>
>>
>> SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"

>
> Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D


WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil. :)
 
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#22 ·
Joe wrote:
> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
> news:sGrJe.792$ah4.736@lakeread05:
>
>
>>elaich wrote:
>>
>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What are Nissan owners looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>>SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"

>>
>> Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D

>
>
> WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil. :)


Joe, at all points you seem to be an idiot. Face it, The Nissan will
not only eat your little 360, but it easily eats the Hemi. Been there
done that, I have all the proof I need. Documented proof comes in the
form of a forum member with a time slip, another member with a dyno
sheet and further proof will be when I make my dyno run. No matter what
you say or how hard you wish, the 05 340 Nissan kicks the 05 Hemis ass.
With the addition of a blower it will kick an SRT10s ass too.

--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
 
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#23 ·
"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
news:iMXJe.893$ah4.49@lakeread05:

> Joe wrote:
>> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>> news:sGrJe.792$ah4.736@lakeread05:
>>
>>
>>>elaich wrote:
>>>
>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What are Nissan owners looking for?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"
>>>
>>> Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D

>>
>>
>> WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil.
>> :)

>
> Joe, at all points you seem to be an idiot. Face it, The Nissan
> will
> not only eat your little 360, but it easily eats the Hemi. Been
> there done that, I have all the proof I need. Documented proof comes
> in the form of a forum member with a time slip, another member with
> a dyno sheet and further proof will be when I make my dyno run. No
> matter what you say or how hard you wish, the 05 340 Nissan kicks
> the 05 Hemis ass. With the addition of a blower it will kick an
> SRT10s ass too.


WF, grow up. I don't give a rat's ass about your ridiculous comparos
or any "proof" you can dream up. You're just a blabbering moron who
doesn't have the common sense to know that oil can't stay in a
crankcase for a year without adverse affects.

And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat
_anything_ you can dream up for breakfast.
 
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#24 ·
Joe wrote:
> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
> news:iMXJe.893$ah4.49@lakeread05:
>
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>news:sGrJe.792$ah4.736@lakeread05:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>elaich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What are Nissan owners looking for?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"
>>>>
>>>> Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D
>>>
>>>
>>>WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil.
>>>:)

>>
>> Joe, at all points you seem to be an idiot. Face it, The Nissan
>> will
>>not only eat your little 360, but it easily eats the Hemi. Been
>>there done that, I have all the proof I need. Documented proof comes
>>in the form of a forum member with a time slip, another member with
>>a dyno sheet and further proof will be when I make my dyno run. No
>>matter what you say or how hard you wish, the 05 340 Nissan kicks
>>the 05 Hemis ass. With the addition of a blower it will kick an
>>SRT10s ass too.

>
>
> WF, grow up. I don't give a rat's ass about your ridiculous comparos
> or any "proof" you can dream up. You're just a blabbering moron who
> doesn't have the common sense to know that oil can't stay in a
> crankcase for a year without adverse affects.
>
> And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat
> _anything_ you can dream up for breakfast.


A friend had a twin screw blower on a Ford V-10 truck with dual wheels.
It was impressive to watch him EASILY leave FOUR black strips behind
after a burnout. I tried to get him to take it to a drag strip so we
could know what 60' time it could muster. Imagine what it would be with
TWO sets of slicks mounted on the back axle. :)
 
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#25 ·
"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:MLmdnbi8vp270WTfRVn-tQ@giganews.com:

> Joe wrote:
>> "WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>> news:iMXJe.893$ah4.49@lakeread05:
>>
>>
>>>Joe wrote:
>>>
>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>>news:sGrJe.792$ah4.736@lakeread05:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>elaich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What are Nissan owners looking for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil.
>>>>:)
>>>
>>> Joe, at all points you seem to be an idiot. Face it, The Nissan
>>> will
>>>not only eat your little 360, but it easily eats the Hemi. Been
>>>there done that, I have all the proof I need. Documented proof
>>>comes in the form of a forum member with a time slip, another
>>>member with a dyno sheet and further proof will be when I make my
>>>dyno run. No matter what you say or how hard you wish, the 05 340
>>>Nissan kicks the 05 Hemis ass. With the addition of a blower it
>>>will kick an SRT10s ass too.

>>
>>
>> WF, grow up. I don't give a rat's ass about your ridiculous
>> comparos or any "proof" you can dream up. You're just a blabbering
>> moron who doesn't have the common sense to know that oil can't stay
>> in a crankcase for a year without adverse affects.
>>
>> And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat
>> _anything_ you can dream up for breakfast.

>
> A friend had a twin screw blower on a Ford V-10 truck with dual
> wheels.
> It was impressive to watch him EASILY leave FOUR black strips
> behind
> after a burnout. I tried to get him to take it to a drag strip so
> we could know what 60' time it could muster. Imagine what it would
> be with TWO sets of slicks mounted on the back axle. :)


I'd like to see that in a 4x4 dually... ;)

BTW, some of those TT diesels are out of this world.
 
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#26 ·
Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:MLmdnbi8vp270WTfRVn-tQ@giganews.com:
>
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>news:iMXJe.893$ah4.49@lakeread05:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>>>news:sGrJe.792$ah4.736@lakeread05:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>elaich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfoxNO@SPAMcox.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:thzIe.621$ah4.166 @lakeread05:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What are Nissan owners looking for?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SHIFT_? Remember when they were "driven?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shitf_Eat Hemi :-D
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>WF, at this point you're just an idiot. Now go change your oil.
>>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>> Joe, at all points you seem to be an idiot. Face it, The Nissan
>>>> will
>>>>not only eat your little 360, but it easily eats the Hemi. Been
>>>>there done that, I have all the proof I need. Documented proof
>>>>comes in the form of a forum member with a time slip, another
>>>>member with a dyno sheet and further proof will be when I make my
>>>>dyno run. No matter what you say or how hard you wish, the 05 340
>>>>Nissan kicks the 05 Hemis ass. With the addition of a blower it
>>>>will kick an SRT10s ass too.
>>>
>>>
>>>WF, grow up. I don't give a rat's ass about your ridiculous
>>>comparos or any "proof" you can dream up. You're just a blabbering
>>>moron who doesn't have the common sense to know that oil can't stay
>>>in a crankcase for a year without adverse affects.
>>>
>>>And by the way, with the addition of a blower, an SRT10 will eat
>>>_anything_ you can dream up for breakfast.

>>
>>A friend had a twin screw blower on a Ford V-10 truck with dual
>>wheels.
>> It was impressive to watch him EASILY leave FOUR black strips
>> behind
>>after a burnout. I tried to get him to take it to a drag strip so
>>we could know what 60' time it could muster. Imagine what it would
>>be with TWO sets of slicks mounted on the back axle. :)

>
>
> I'd like to see that in a 4x4 dually... ;)
>
> BTW, some of those TT diesels are out of this world.


The TD's are quite the sleeper engines. Can't fault an engine that will
give you 100+ more hp/tq from stock by just adding chip. You don't even
have to lift the hood! I'm not even going to go into the gains from
doing propane injection on them.
 
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