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#1 ·
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#3 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>
> Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.



I think this is actually the correct viewpoint. I'm sure a lot of this
will come out in the finger pointing stages of the game when that plays
out. It's interesting to see how some politicians are so intent on
getting political mileage from this natural disaster that they were
willing to waste valuable time and resources DURING the crisis to start
carping at their political opponents.

When this is all over, I think the people who are going to wind up
looking the worst are the state and local officials and authorities in
some of the affected areas. But time will tell. There will be time to
worry about that AFTERWARDS. Now it's time to focus on helping
survivors and identifying/burying the dead.
 
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#4 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

Ritz wrote:
> Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
>
>> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>
>> Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.

>
>
>
> I think this is actually the correct viewpoint. I'm sure a lot of this
> will come out in the finger pointing stages of the game when that plays
> out. It's interesting to see how some politicians are so intent on
> getting political mileage from this natural disaster that they were
> willing to waste valuable time and resources DURING the crisis to start
> carping at their political opponents.
>
> When this is all over, I think the people who are going to wind up
> looking the worst are the state and local officials and authorities in
> some of the affected areas. But time will tell. There will be time to
> worry about that AFTERWARDS. Now it's time to focus on helping
> survivors and identifying/burying the dead.


President Bush and the director of FEMA have said that this is not the
time to investigate. Right now it would only take the people who are
providing relief away from performing their jobs. IMO, all these
politicians that are busy pointing fingers should be using their time to
help people instead. FEMA probably could have performed better but
without support from the first line responders I don't see how they
could be anywhere near 100% effective. I also think the local and state
officials are going to have a lot of explaining to do when the dust
settles. FEMA and the military were the only groups that performed at
all during this disaster. If it weren't for them there would be
thousands of people dying daily by now. Personally, I think we might
find they deserve a lot of praise when the full story is known. Problem
is I doubt the major media networks (CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/NYT etc.) will ever
tell us the truth because they would have to be critical of a Democratic
mayor and governor. They certainly haven't wasted time piling blame on
the President though.
 
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#5 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:

> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>
> Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.


I figured you might. ;)

BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen Freedom
Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the article in your
url) is president.

Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
provided.

http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj
http://tinyurl.com/9rwgz

Interesting reading, to say the least.
 
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#6 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>
>
>>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>
>>Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.

>
>
> I figured you might. ;)
>
> BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen Freedom
> Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the article in your
> url) is president.
>
> Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
> provided.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj


This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has relevance
to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements he made in the
editorial are accurate. I just heard reported tonight that the Red
Cross said it was ready to supply aid immediately after the hurricane
hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept. of Homeland Security refused their
request to move into New Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come
out about her performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA
National Guard regarding release of what orders she gave before and
after the hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The
mayor of NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons
and she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very delinquent in
requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state to
give assistance unless requested to do so. This is going to really get
interesting as more comes out.

> http://tinyurl.com/9rwgz


I also don't see where this is relevant to the editorial in the WSJ
either. Sounds like his organization is turning up the heat on
Washington State government. Washington State should have a Republican
governor right now but the incumbent Democratic candidate kept forcing
recounts until the she won. Sounds like what the Democrats tried to do
in Florida in 2000. ;)

> Interesting reading, to say the least.


It is too early to tell but I think the kitchen is going to get awfully
hot for Gov. Blanco in the up coming weeks. People are starting to ask
hard questions that she doesn't seem to want to answer right now. First
on my list of questions for her to answer was why did she wait until the
Wednesday after the hurricane to ask for federal assistance from FEMA?
Second is why was there absolutely no evacuation of the poorer residents
using public transportation? Third is why didn't she immediately
mobilize the state national guard (which she controls solely) to
maintain order immediately after the hurricane (or before it for that
matter)? Sooner or later the answers to these questions will be known
whether or not she gives them herself. I think the truthful answer from
her for all three questions should be "Because I'm incompetent". ;)
 
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#7 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

Michael, the two links I provided earlier were simply an attempt to
show that the EFF's credibility is certainly no greater than that of
the L.A. Times.

I wonder how the concept of the feds coming into a state plays out
after a 'federal disaster' has been declared. At that point, I don't
know if the same rules apply.

At any rate, here's the transcript of a press briefing by Scott
McClellan. I don't know if you can get more "official" than this:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050907-2.html
The Q&A part is pretty interesting. ;)


"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:JcidnZ2dnZ0PxOWWnZ2dnesTgt6dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@giganews.com:

> Joe wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>> news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>
>>>Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.

>>
>>
>> I figured you might. ;)
>>
>> BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen
>> Freedom Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the
>> article in your url) is president.
>>
>> Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>> provided.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj

>
> This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
> financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has
> relevance to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements
> he made in the editorial are accurate. I just heard reported
> tonight that the Red Cross said it was ready to supply aid
> immediately after the hurricane hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept. of
> Homeland Security refused their request to move into New Orleans. A
> lot of stuff is starting to come out about her performance. She has
> placed a gag order on the LA National Guard regarding release of
> what orders she gave before and after the hurricane hit. Sounds
> like a cover up in the making. The mayor of NO wants to evacuate
> everyone from the city for health reasons and she has stopped that.
> Also, it appears she was very delinquent in requesting FEMA
> assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state to give assistance
> unless requested to do so. This is going to really get interesting
> as more comes out.
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9rwgz

>
> I also don't see where this is relevant to the editorial in the WSJ
> either. Sounds like his organization is turning up the heat on
> Washington State government. Washington State should have a
> Republican governor right now but the incumbent Democratic candidate
> kept forcing recounts until the she won. Sounds like what the
> Democrats tried to do in Florida in 2000. ;)
>
>> Interesting reading, to say the least.

>
> It is too early to tell but I think the kitchen is going to get
> awfully hot for Gov. Blanco in the up coming weeks. People are
> starting to ask hard questions that she doesn't seem to want to
> answer right now. First on my list of questions for her to answer
> was why did she wait until the Wednesday after the hurricane to ask
> for federal assistance from FEMA? Second is why was there absolutely
> no evacuation of the poorer residents using public transportation?
> Third is why didn't she immediately mobilize the state national
> guard (which she controls solely) to maintain order immediately
> after the hurricane (or before it for that matter)? Sooner or later
> the answers to these questions will be known whether or not she
> gives them herself. I think the truthful answer from her for all
> three questions should be "Because I'm incompetent". ;)
>
 
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#8 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

Joe wrote:
> Michael, the two links I provided earlier were simply an attempt to
> show that the EFF's credibility is certainly no greater than that of
> the L.A. Times.


Believe me, I look at everyone with a skeptical eye. I thought the WSJ
article listed some good points that were backed up better than most
news articles.

> I wonder how the concept of the feds coming into a state plays out
> after a 'federal disaster' has been declared. At that point, I don't
> know if the same rules apply.


From what I understand FEMA can't enter a state without their request.
It is illegal for them to do it. I suppose if the entire state
government was wiped out them they could take over but that wasn't the
case here. I think the Feds basically pushed Blanco to the side when
they realized the scope of the problems. She still won't support
removing people by force, if necessary, because she wants to know if the
environmental dangers are "bad enough" to warrant removing them. The
EPA has done the tests and said the water has 10X the recommended levels
of toxic bacteria and it shouldn't even touch human skin.

> At any rate, here's the transcript of a press briefing by Scott
> McClellan. I don't know if you can get more "official" than this:
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050907-2.html
> The Q&A part is pretty interesting. ;)


That news conference is a good example of a big waste of time, IMO. I
saw a few video clips on the news of it. Asking him about whether the
President agrees with his Mother's remarks is just an idiotic question.
All the reporter was trying to do is stir up controversy. He has
shown he is liberally biased well before now. The Democrats think they
have an opportunity to hurt Bush on this and the press is more than
happy to be their pawns. This news conference is just an example of it.
Just when I think the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy
etc. can't sink any lower in their quest to regain power they rise to
the occasion. Don't get me wrong, I think Republicans can do the same
thing but the Democrats seem to have a better knack for this disgusting
behavior. NOTHING is off limits if they can gain politically. I would
feel better about the press and Democrats complaints if they were going
after Blanco and the Mayor of New Orleans with the same enthusiasm. We
all know why they aren't - it is because they are Democrats. I think
that says it all. ;)

> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:JcidnZ2dnZ0PxOWWnZ2dnesTgt6dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@giganews.com:
>
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>>
>>>>Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.
>>>
>>>
>>>I figured you might. ;)
>>>
>>>BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen
>>>Freedom Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the
>>>article in your url) is president.
>>>
>>>Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>>>provided.
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj

>>
>>This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>>financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has
>>relevance to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements
>>he made in the editorial are accurate. I just heard reported
>>tonight that the Red Cross said it was ready to supply aid
>>immediately after the hurricane hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept. of
>>Homeland Security refused their request to move into New Orleans. A
>>lot of stuff is starting to come out about her performance. She has
>>placed a gag order on the LA National Guard regarding release of
>>what orders she gave before and after the hurricane hit. Sounds
>>like a cover up in the making. The mayor of NO wants to evacuate
>>everyone from the city for health reasons and she has stopped that.
>>Also, it appears she was very delinquent in requesting FEMA
>>assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state to give assistance
>>unless requested to do so. This is going to really get interesting
>>as more comes out.
>>
>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/9rwgz

>>
>>I also don't see where this is relevant to the editorial in the WSJ
>>either. Sounds like his organization is turning up the heat on
>>Washington State government. Washington State should have a
>>Republican governor right now but the incumbent Democratic candidate
>>kept forcing recounts until the she won. Sounds like what the
>>Democrats tried to do in Florida in 2000. ;)
>>
>>
>>>Interesting reading, to say the least.

>>
>>It is too early to tell but I think the kitchen is going to get
>>awfully hot for Gov. Blanco in the up coming weeks. People are
>>starting to ask hard questions that she doesn't seem to want to
>>answer right now. First on my list of questions for her to answer
>>was why did she wait until the Wednesday after the hurricane to ask
>>for federal assistance from FEMA? Second is why was there absolutely
>>no evacuation of the poorer residents using public transportation?
>>Third is why didn't she immediately mobilize the state national
>>guard (which she controls solely) to maintain order immediately
>>after the hurricane (or before it for that matter)? Sooner or later
>>the answers to these questions will be known whether or not she
>>gives them herself. I think the truthful answer from her for all
>>three questions should be "Because I'm incompetent". ;)
>>

>
>
 
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#9 ·
Cut to the chase!

Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote in news:0NqTe.16184$FO3.8476
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

> http://tinyurl.com/d7o59


FEMA is a federal Bureaucracy! FEMA f#$$%d up, but the locals screwed the
pooch worse.

FEMA is run by a political hack, just as the lefty moonbats claim.

So lets get back at Bush and elect progressives so political hacks can have
a finger in everything.
 
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#10 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:05:52 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote:

>Joe wrote:
>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>> news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>
>>
>>>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>
>>>Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.

>>
>>
>> I figured you might. ;)
>>
>> BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen Freedom
>> Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the article in your
>> url) is president.
>>
>> Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>> provided.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj

>
>This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has relevance
>to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements he made in the
>editorial are accurate. I just heard reported tonight that the Red
>Cross said it was ready to supply aid immediately after the hurricane
>hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept. of Homeland Security refused their
>request to move into New Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come
>out about her performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA
>National Guard regarding release of what orders she gave before and
>after the hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The
>mayor of NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons
>and she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very delinquent in
>requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state to
>give assistance unless requested to do so. This is going to really get
>interesting as more comes out.


From where came the 'gag order' info, please?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
 
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#11 ·
Re: Cut to the chase!

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:49:38 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:

>Joe <avoidingspam@nospam.com> wrote in news:0NqTe.16184$FO3.8476
>@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/d7o59

>
>FEMA is a federal Bureaucracy! FEMA f#$$%d up, but the locals screwed the
>pooch worse.
>
>FEMA is run by a political hack, just as the lefty moonbats claim.
>
>So lets get back at Bush and elect progressives so political hacks can have
>a finger in everything.



fock
bush and the bin laden family will blow up another building

I LOVE IT

hu
rc
 
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#12 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

PocoLoco wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:05:52 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>>
>>>>Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.
>>>
>>>
>>>I figured you might. ;)
>>>
>>>BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen Freedom
>>>Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the article in your
>>>url) is president.
>>>
>>>Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>>>provided.
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj

>>
>>This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>>financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has relevance
>>to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements he made in the
>>editorial are accurate. I just heard reported tonight that the Red
>>Cross said it was ready to supply aid immediately after the hurricane
>>hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept. of Homeland Security refused their
>>request to move into New Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come
>>out about her performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA
>>National Guard regarding release of what orders she gave before and
>>after the hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The
>>mayor of NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons
>>and she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very delinquent in
>>requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state to
>>give assistance unless requested to do so. This is going to really get
>>interesting as more comes out.

>
>
> From where came the 'gag order' info, please?


Yesterday or the day before Major Garrett was reporting on Special
Report with Brit Hume about an interview he held with some high level
officers of the LA National Guard and they refused to answer several of
his questions regarding the orders that were given by the Governor
immediately before and after the hurricane hit. I tried to find a link
but since he was doing a live interview with Hume I don't think there is
an written article to reference. IMO, Major Garrett is much better than
the average reporter so I tend to believe him.
 
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#13 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:24:01 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote:

>PocoLoco wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:05:52 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Joe wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>>news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>>>
>>>>>Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I figured you might. ;)
>>>>
>>>>BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen Freedom
>>>>Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the article in your
>>>>url) is president.
>>>>
>>>>Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>>>>provided.
>>>>
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj
>>>
>>>This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>>>financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has relevance
>>>to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements he made in the
>>>editorial are accurate. I just heard reported tonight that the Red
>>>Cross said it was ready to supply aid immediately after the hurricane
>>>hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept. of Homeland Security refused their
>>>request to move into New Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come
>>>out about her performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA
>>>National Guard regarding release of what orders she gave before and
>>>after the hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The
>>>mayor of NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons
>>>and she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very delinquent in
>>>requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state to
>>>give assistance unless requested to do so. This is going to really get
>>>interesting as more comes out.

>>
>>
>> From where came the 'gag order' info, please?

>
>Yesterday or the day before Major Garrett was reporting on Special
>Report with Brit Hume about an interview he held with some high level
>officers of the LA National Guard and they refused to answer several of
>his questions regarding the orders that were given by the Governor
>immediately before and after the hurricane hit. I tried to find a link
>but since he was doing a live interview with Hume I don't think there is
>an written article to reference. IMO, Major Garrett is much better than
>the average reporter so I tend to believe him.


Ditto. Thanks for trying.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
 
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#14 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

PocoLoco wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:24:01 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>>PocoLoco wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:05:52 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Joe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I figured you might. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen Freedom
>>>>>Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the article in your
>>>>>url) is president.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>>>>>provided.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj
>>>>
>>>>This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>>>>financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has relevance
>>>>to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements he made in the
>>>>editorial are accurate. I just heard reported tonight that the Red
>>>>Cross said it was ready to supply aid immediately after the hurricane
>>>>hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept. of Homeland Security refused their
>>>>request to move into New Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come
>>>>out about her performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA
>>>>National Guard regarding release of what orders she gave before and
>>>>after the hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The
>>>>mayor of NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons
>>>>and she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very delinquent in
>>>>requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state to
>>>>give assistance unless requested to do so. This is going to really get
>>>>interesting as more comes out.
>>>
>>>
>>>From where came the 'gag order' info, please?

>>
>>Yesterday or the day before Major Garrett was reporting on Special
>>Report with Brit Hume about an interview he held with some high level
>>officers of the LA National Guard and they refused to answer several of
>>his questions regarding the orders that were given by the Governor
>>immediately before and after the hurricane hit. I tried to find a link
>>but since he was doing a live interview with Hume I don't think there is
>>an written article to reference. IMO, Major Garrett is much better than
>>the average reporter so I tend to believe him.

>
>
> Ditto. Thanks for trying.


I love the way everyone is circling their wagons into political camps.
Is it any wonder that a Canadian SAR group was able to fly from
Vancouver (2 hours north of Seattle), and get to St. Bernard parish, LA
5 days before fema or the army showed up? These are not governmental
people, just a private organization staffed by volunteers who respond to
disasters around the world. Maybe US state and federal agencies can ask
for lessons from them?
 
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#15 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

cprice@here.com wrote:
> PocoLoco wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:24:01 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>> <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> PocoLoco wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:05:52 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>>>> <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I figured you might. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen
>>>>>> Freedom Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the
>>>>>> article in your url) is president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>>>>>> provided.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>>>>> financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has
>>>>> relevance to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the statements
>>>>> he made in the editorial are accurate. I just heard reported
>>>>> tonight that the Red Cross said it was ready to supply aid
>>>>> immediately after the hurricane hit but Gov. Blanco's state Dept.
>>>>> of Homeland Security refused their request to move into New
>>>>> Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come out about her
>>>>> performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA National Guard
>>>>> regarding release of what orders she gave before and after the
>>>>> hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The mayor of
>>>>> NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons and
>>>>> she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very delinquent in
>>>>> requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot come into a state
>>>>> to give assistance unless requested to do so. This is going to
>>>>> really get interesting as more comes out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From where came the 'gag order' info, please?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday or the day before Major Garrett was reporting on Special
>>> Report with Brit Hume about an interview he held with some high level
>>> officers of the LA National Guard and they refused to answer several
>>> of his questions regarding the orders that were given by the Governor
>>> immediately before and after the hurricane hit. I tried to find a
>>> link but since he was doing a live interview with Hume I don't think
>>> there is an written article to reference. IMO, Major Garrett is much
>>> better than the average reporter so I tend to believe him.

>>
>>
>>
>> Ditto. Thanks for trying.

>
>
> I love the way everyone is circling their wagons into political
> camps. Is it any wonder that a Canadian SAR group was able to fly from
> Vancouver (2 hours north of Seattle), and get to St. Bernard parish, LA
> 5 days before fema or the army showed up? These are not governmental
> people, just a private organization staffed by volunteers who respond to
> disasters around the world. Maybe US state and federal agencies can ask
> for lessons from them?


Could be because they didn't need to have Gov. Blanco request their
assistance like FEMA does. If they had asked for her permission to help
the victims they may have received the same answer the Red Cross got
when they asked her if they could provide aid... NO! My big gripe with
FEMA, the Red Cross etc. is they should have run over her like a steam
roller when the levies breached. She is obviously incompetent and
therefore should have been ignored. Same goes for the Mayor of New
Orleans. As for circling wagons into political camps the first ones to
do that was Democrats in Congress and the main stream press when they
thought they could use this disaster to hurt Bush politically. Take a
look at this rant during an NBC fund raiser for hurricane victims:
http://tinyurl.com/7c8qh
 
G
#16 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> cprice@here.com wrote:
>
>> PocoLoco wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:24:01 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>>> <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> PocoLoco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:05:52 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>>>>> <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I figured you might. ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen
>>>>>>> Freedom Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the
>>>>>>> article in your url) is president.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>>>>>>> provided.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>>>>>> financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has
>>>>>> relevance to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the
>>>>>> statements he made in the editorial are accurate. I just heard
>>>>>> reported tonight that the Red Cross said it was ready to supply
>>>>>> aid immediately after the hurricane hit but Gov. Blanco's state
>>>>>> Dept. of Homeland Security refused their request to move into New
>>>>>> Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come out about her
>>>>>> performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA National Guard
>>>>>> regarding release of what orders she gave before and after the
>>>>>> hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The mayor
>>>>>> of NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons
>>>>>> and she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very
>>>>>> delinquent in requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot come
>>>>>> into a state to give assistance unless requested to do so. This
>>>>>> is going to really get interesting as more comes out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From where came the 'gag order' info, please?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday or the day before Major Garrett was reporting on Special
>>>> Report with Brit Hume about an interview he held with some high
>>>> level officers of the LA National Guard and they refused to answer
>>>> several of his questions regarding the orders that were given by the
>>>> Governor immediately before and after the hurricane hit. I tried to
>>>> find a link but since he was doing a live interview with Hume I
>>>> don't think there is an written article to reference. IMO, Major
>>>> Garrett is much better than the average reporter so I tend to
>>>> believe him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ditto. Thanks for trying.

>>
>>
>>
>> I love the way everyone is circling their wagons into political
>> camps. Is it any wonder that a Canadian SAR group was able to fly from
>> Vancouver (2 hours north of Seattle), and get to St. Bernard parish,
>> LA 5 days before fema or the army showed up? These are not
>> governmental people, just a private organization staffed by volunteers
>> who respond to disasters around the world. Maybe US state and federal
>> agencies can ask for lessons from them?

>
>
> Could be because they didn't need to have Gov. Blanco request their
> assistance like FEMA does. If they had asked for her permission to help
> the victims they may have received the same answer the Red Cross got
> when they asked her if they could provide aid... NO! My big gripe with
> FEMA, the Red Cross etc. is they should have run over her like a steam
> roller when the levies breached. She is obviously incompetent and
> therefore should have been ignored. Same goes for the Mayor of New
> Orleans. As for circling wagons into political camps the first ones to
> do that was Democrats in Congress and the main stream press when they
> thought they could use this disaster to hurt Bush politically. Take a
> look at this rant during an NBC fund raiser for hurricane victims:
> http://tinyurl.com/7c8qh


It wouldnt be becuase you are a raving Con, and she's a democrat?
 
G
#17 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

cprice@here.com wrote:
> Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
>
>> cprice@here.com wrote:
>>
>>> PocoLoco wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:24:01 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>>>> <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> PocoLoco wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:05:52 -0400, "Michael Johnson, PE"
>>>>>> <cds@erols.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:TMOdnZyePcvWooLeRVn-iQ@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007219
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just thought I would provide another viewpoint.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I figured you might. ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, here are a couple of interesting links on the Evergreen
>>>>>>>> Freedom Foundation, of which Bob Williams (the author of the
>>>>>>>> article in your url) is president.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob Williams, of course, is the author of the viewpoint you've
>>>>>>>> provided.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ao5cj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This site is run by a left leaning group that supposedly tracks
>>>>>>> financing for conservative groups. I don't see where it has
>>>>>>> relevance to the WSJ article. I think almost all of the
>>>>>>> statements he made in the editorial are accurate. I just heard
>>>>>>> reported tonight that the Red Cross said it was ready to supply
>>>>>>> aid immediately after the hurricane hit but Gov. Blanco's state
>>>>>>> Dept. of Homeland Security refused their request to move into New
>>>>>>> Orleans. A lot of stuff is starting to come out about her
>>>>>>> performance. She has placed a gag order on the LA National Guard
>>>>>>> regarding release of what orders she gave before and after the
>>>>>>> hurricane hit. Sounds like a cover up in the making. The mayor
>>>>>>> of NO wants to evacuate everyone from the city for health reasons
>>>>>>> and she has stopped that. Also, it appears she was very
>>>>>>> delinquent in requesting FEMA assistance. By law FEMA cannot
>>>>>>> come into a state to give assistance unless requested to do so.
>>>>>>> This is going to really get interesting as more comes out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From where came the 'gag order' info, please?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday or the day before Major Garrett was reporting on Special
>>>>> Report with Brit Hume about an interview he held with some high
>>>>> level officers of the LA National Guard and they refused to answer
>>>>> several of his questions regarding the orders that were given by
>>>>> the Governor immediately before and after the hurricane hit. I
>>>>> tried to find a link but since he was doing a live interview with
>>>>> Hume I don't think there is an written article to reference. IMO,
>>>>> Major Garrett is much better than the average reporter so I tend to
>>>>> believe him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ditto. Thanks for trying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I love the way everyone is circling their wagons into political
>>> camps. Is it any wonder that a Canadian SAR group was able to fly
>>> from Vancouver (2 hours north of Seattle), and get to St. Bernard
>>> parish, LA 5 days before fema or the army showed up? These are not
>>> governmental people, just a private organization staffed by
>>> volunteers who respond to disasters around the world. Maybe US state
>>> and federal agencies can ask for lessons from them?

>>
>>
>>
>> Could be because they didn't need to have Gov. Blanco request their
>> assistance like FEMA does. If they had asked for her permission to
>> help the victims they may have received the same answer the Red Cross
>> got when they asked her if they could provide aid... NO! My big gripe
>> with FEMA, the Red Cross etc. is they should have run over her like a
>> steam roller when the levies breached. She is obviously incompetent
>> and therefore should have been ignored. Same goes for the Mayor of
>> New Orleans. As for circling wagons into political camps the first
>> ones to do that was Democrats in Congress and the main stream press
>> when they thought they could use this disaster to hurt Bush
>> politically. Take a look at this rant during an NBC fund raiser for
>> hurricane victims: http://tinyurl.com/7c8qh

>
>
> It wouldnt be becuase you are a raving Con, and she's a democrat?


Not at all. Don't take my ranting with Hank as anything more than a
Usenet debate. Actually, I would classify myself as being conservative
on economic and national security issues. On social issues I am not
that conservative. I can't remember the last time I went to church, I
don't have any problem passing out condoms in schools, I don't want
religious leaders dictating government policy etc. Truth be told I'm
probably more Libertarian than anything. My dislike of the current
situation is that people are dying and need aid and this isn't the time
for liberals or Democrats to try and make political points against Bush
or the Republicans in Congress. There is no other reason for their
ranting at this time. They certainly didn't waste any time starting the
Bush bashing. IMO, what they are doing is amazingly self serving.

Here's another link to an article in the NYT about the Federal response:
http://tinyurl.com/b7fbq The NYT isn't exactly a supporter of
conservative ideas or Republicans so what they are reporting is probably
worse in actuality than what they published. IMO, this article is far
from flattering to Gov. Blanco and it highlights the issues the Feds
were facing about going into LA without her request or cooperation. It
also shows what happens when first responders don't perform as planned.
 
G
#18 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

North vs South, tastes great vs less filling, con vs dem, football team
a vs football team b. etc etc etc.

Your entire culture is based on being combative. As an amermican
comedian I watched once said 'we love to fight, in fact, we love to
fight so much that when we ran out of other countries to fight, we said
**** it, two teams' (referring to the civil war).

As an outsider, american culture is apparently mostly about conflict.
You people thrive on it. 'War on drugs', 'war on poverty', 'war on
terror'. In other countries, 'war on poverty' is called social welfare,
but noooo, you have to make up a catchy phrase for it. Same goes for the
rest of the spin doctor propoganda drivel being belched there.

Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to Washington. I
wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.

One last thing; I'll openly admit that I have participated in this
thread. Guilty as charged. However I want to ask WTF any of this has to
do with the Ford Mustang?
 
G
#19 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

cprice@here.com wrote:
>
> North vs South, tastes great vs less filling, con vs dem, football
> team a vs football team b. etc etc etc.
>
> Your entire culture is based on being combative. As an amermican
> comedian I watched once said 'we love to fight, in fact, we love to
> fight so much that when we ran out of other countries to fight, we said
> **** it, two teams' (referring to the civil war)


If what you claim is true (which it isn't) it sure came in handy for the
world in the 20th century. A lot of us war mongering Americans died
liberating hundreds of millions of people in the last 100 years. Tell
me, what is your problem with us really? Is it jealosy, envy or you
just believe everything you read in the liberal biased press? I don't
know if it is just me but Canadians are sounding more like the French
every year that passes. No offense intended to all you Canadians that
still have a backbone left and, if you are still the majority, I sure
wish you all would get out to vote in the next election.

> As an outsider, american culture is apparently mostly about
> conflict. You people thrive on it. 'War on drugs', 'war on poverty',
> 'war on terror'. In other countries, 'war on poverty' is called social
> welfare, but noooo, you have to make up a catchy phrase for it. Same
> goes for the rest of the spin doctor propoganda drivel being belched there.


I'm starting to think there is some USA envy going on here. ;)

> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to Washington. I
> wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.


The LA Governor couldn't order a hamberburger at McDonald's correctly.
Truth is you or I don't know why he was recalled. With the terrible
performance of the Governor and the Mayor of NO I wonder if anyone could
have done a better job. If he was incompetent then I guess Bush should
deserve some credit for making a change? My guess is you would rather
just complain that he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
What you think of the performance of the Mayor and Governor?

> One last thing; I'll openly admit that I have participated in this
> thread. Guilty as charged. However I want to ask WTF any of this has to
> do with the Ford Mustang?


Not a damn thing but if it weren't for OT threads this place would be
dead in a month. Consider them a necessary evil. ;)
 
G
#20 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

"Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
news:vqqdnSpfu73lhL_eRVn-hQ@giganews.com:

> cprice@here.com wrote:
>>
>> North vs South, tastes great vs less filling, con vs dem,
>> football
>> team a vs football team b. etc etc etc.
>>
>> Your entire culture is based on being combative. As an
>> amermican
>> comedian I watched once said 'we love to fight, in fact, we love to
>> fight so much that when we ran out of other countries to fight, we
>> said **** it, two teams' (referring to the civil war)

>
> If what you claim is true (which it isn't) it sure came in handy for
> the world in the 20th century. A lot of us war mongering Americans
> died liberating hundreds of millions of people in the last 100
> years. Tell me, what is your problem with us really? Is it
> jealosy, envy or you just believe everything you read in the liberal
> biased press? I don't know if it is just me but Canadians are
> sounding more like the French every year that passes. No offense
> intended to all you Canadians that still have a backbone left and,
> if you are still the majority, I sure wish you all would get out to
> vote in the next election.
>
>> As an outsider, american culture is apparently mostly about
>> conflict. You people thrive on it. 'War on drugs', 'war on
>> poverty', 'war on terror'. In other countries, 'war on poverty' is
>> called social welfare, but noooo, you have to make up a catchy
>> phrase for it. Same goes for the rest of the spin doctor propoganda
>> drivel being belched there.

>
> I'm starting to think there is some USA envy going on here. ;)
>
>> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to
>> Washington. I
>> wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.

>
> The LA Governor couldn't order a hamberburger at McDonald's
> correctly. Truth is you or I don't know why he was recalled. With
> the terrible performance of the Governor and the Mayor of NO I
> wonder if anyone could have done a better job. If he was
> incompetent then I guess Bush should deserve some credit for making
> a change? My guess is you would rather just complain that he
> shouldn't have been there in the first place. What you think of the
> performance of the Mayor and Governor?
>
>> One last thing; I'll openly admit that I have participated in
>> this
>> thread. Guilty as charged. However I want to ask WTF any of this
>> has to do with the Ford Mustang?

>
> Not a damn thing but if it weren't for OT threads this place would
> be dead in a month. Consider them a necessary evil. ;)


Just a few comments..

a) Even with Bumbling Bush at the helm, this is still the greatest
country on the planet. Not to worry though, Dubya's time will come.

b) With idiots like Chertoff and Brown on the federal side, the locals
flat out look like heroes.

c) What this has to do with Mustangs is that there are some underwater
down in NO. Also, most of us own and drive them.

d) The OT stuff is a helluva lot more interesting than the on-topic
stuff. I'm real sick of 'what color stripes look good on my baby?'

e) FWIW, I'm a registered Independent. I'm not allowed to vote in
primaries.

Have a great day, y'all.

Joe
Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
 
G
#21 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

Joe wrote:
> "Michael Johnson, PE" <cds@erols.com> wrote in
> news:vqqdnSpfu73lhL_eRVn-hQ@giganews.com:
>
>
>>cprice@here.com wrote:
>>
>>> North vs South, tastes great vs less filling, con vs dem,
>>> football
>>>team a vs football team b. etc etc etc.
>>>
>>> Your entire culture is based on being combative. As an
>>> amermican
>>>comedian I watched once said 'we love to fight, in fact, we love to
>>>fight so much that when we ran out of other countries to fight, we
>>>said **** it, two teams' (referring to the civil war)

>>
>>If what you claim is true (which it isn't) it sure came in handy for
>>the world in the 20th century. A lot of us war mongering Americans
>>died liberating hundreds of millions of people in the last 100
>>years. Tell me, what is your problem with us really? Is it
>>jealosy, envy or you just believe everything you read in the liberal
>>biased press? I don't know if it is just me but Canadians are
>>sounding more like the French every year that passes. No offense
>>intended to all you Canadians that still have a backbone left and,
>>if you are still the majority, I sure wish you all would get out to
>>vote in the next election.
>>
>>
>>> As an outsider, american culture is apparently mostly about
>>>conflict. You people thrive on it. 'War on drugs', 'war on
>>>poverty', 'war on terror'. In other countries, 'war on poverty' is
>>>called social welfare, but noooo, you have to make up a catchy
>>>phrase for it. Same goes for the rest of the spin doctor propoganda
>>>drivel being belched there.

>>
>>I'm starting to think there is some USA envy going on here. ;)
>>
>>
>>> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to
>>> Washington. I
>>>wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.

>>
>>The LA Governor couldn't order a hamberburger at McDonald's
>>correctly. Truth is you or I don't know why he was recalled. With
>>the terrible performance of the Governor and the Mayor of NO I
>>wonder if anyone could have done a better job. If he was
>>incompetent then I guess Bush should deserve some credit for making
>>a change? My guess is you would rather just complain that he
>>shouldn't have been there in the first place. What you think of the
>>performance of the Mayor and Governor?
>>
>>
>>> One last thing; I'll openly admit that I have participated in
>>> this
>>>thread. Guilty as charged. However I want to ask WTF any of this
>>>has to do with the Ford Mustang?

>>
>>Not a damn thing but if it weren't for OT threads this place would
>>be dead in a month. Consider them a necessary evil. ;)

>
>
> Just a few comments..
>
> a) Even with Bumbling Bush at the helm, this is still the greatest
> country on the planet. Not to worry though, Dubya's time will come.


I've concluded they very few politicians get what they deserve.
Presidents just leave office write a few books, give speeches for $100k
a pop, do the odd Japanese commercial and rake in millions of dollars.

> b) With idiots like Chertoff and Brown on the federal side, the locals
> flat out look like heroes.


I have a couple of good friends who were very high up in military
intelligence and they speak highly of Chertoff. They say he is a
take-no-prisoners type of manager and he is very results oriented. They
say he also doesn't care who he pisses off in getting the job done.
Also, I read where it was him that removed Brown, not Bush. Bush just
blessed the move. If this is true then maybe my friends are right about
Chertoff.

> c) What this has to do with Mustangs is that there are some underwater
> down in NO. Also, most of us own and drive them.


I bet the Mustangs were some of the first cars to be looted too. That
is if there were any on the lots. ;)

> d) The OT stuff is a helluva lot more interesting than the on-topic
> stuff. I'm real sick of 'what color stripes look good on my baby?'


Having been here for a number of years I just can't muster the strength
to answer the garden variety questions anymore. I let the new whipper
snappers do that work. I'll jump into the supercharger threads but they
are few and far between. Remember the good old days in ramfm Joe? We
had people like Jared, Ed, Ronnie, Kevin etc. and the discussions were
highly technical and entertaining. I think that time spoiled me because
I just can't get excited about maintenance and minor modification questions.

> e) FWIW, I'm a registered Independent. I'm not allowed to vote in
> primaries.


Actually, I'm not registered as a Repub or Dem either.

> Have a great day, y'all.


Will do. Nothing on Usenet effects this. ;)
 
G
#22 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

If you said that to me in a local pub, I'd kick your teeth in, or die
trying.

Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> cprice@here.com wrote:
>
>>
>> North vs South, tastes great vs less filling, con vs dem, football
>> team a vs football team b. etc etc etc.
>>
>> Your entire culture is based on being combative. As an amermican
>> comedian I watched once said 'we love to fight, in fact, we love to
>> fight so much that when we ran out of other countries to fight, we
>> said **** it, two teams' (referring to the civil war)

>
>
> If what you claim is true (which it isn't) it sure came in handy for the
> world in the 20th century. A lot of us war mongering Americans died
> liberating hundreds of millions of people in the last 100 years. Tell
> me, what is your problem with us really? Is it jealosy, envy or you
> just believe everything you read in the liberal biased press? I don't
> know if it is just me but Canadians are sounding more like the French
> every year that passes. No offense intended to all you Canadians that
> still have a backbone left and, if you are still the majority, I sure
> wish you all would get out to vote in the next election.
>
>> As an outsider, american culture is apparently mostly about
>> conflict. You people thrive on it. 'War on drugs', 'war on poverty',
>> 'war on terror'. In other countries, 'war on poverty' is called social
>> welfare, but noooo, you have to make up a catchy phrase for it. Same
>> goes for the rest of the spin doctor propoganda drivel being belched
>> there.

>
>
> I'm starting to think there is some USA envy going on here. ;)
>
>> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to Washington.
>> I wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.

>
>
> The LA Governor couldn't order a hamberburger at McDonald's correctly.
> Truth is you or I don't know why he was recalled. With the terrible
> performance of the Governor and the Mayor of NO I wonder if anyone could
> have done a better job. If he was incompetent then I guess Bush should
> deserve some credit for making a change? My guess is you would rather
> just complain that he shouldn't have been there in the first place. What
> you think of the performance of the Mayor and Governor?
>
>> One last thing; I'll openly admit that I have participated in this
>> thread. Guilty as charged. However I want to ask WTF any of this has
>> to do with the Ford Mustang?

>
>
> Not a damn thing but if it weren't for OT threads this place would be
> dead in a month. Consider them a necessary evil. ;)
 
G
#23 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

cprice@here.com wrote:
>


> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to Washington. I
> wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.
>



As reported on CNN and very accidetally seen by me real late at
night last week, it has been discovered that he lied on his resume. Oops!!


--

"Gullible is a misdemeanor - stupid is a felony...
clueless gets you committed..." - JG
 
G
#24 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

<cprice@here.com> wrote in message news:4323367A.6010009@here.com...
>
> If you said that to me in a local pub, I'd kick your teeth in, or die
> trying.
>


If you weren't a top posting bastard that doesn't know how to quote, we
might know what you were takling about.
> Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
> > cprice@here.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> North vs South, tastes great vs less filling, con vs dem, football
> >> team a vs football team b. etc etc etc.
> >>
> >> Your entire culture is based on being combative. As an amermican
> >> comedian I watched once said 'we love to fight, in fact, we love to
> >> fight so much that when we ran out of other countries to fight, we
> >> said **** it, two teams' (referring to the civil war)

> >
> >
> > If what you claim is true (which it isn't) it sure came in handy for the
> > world in the 20th century. A lot of us war mongering Americans died
> > liberating hundreds of millions of people in the last 100 years. Tell
> > me, what is your problem with us really? Is it jealosy, envy or you
> > just believe everything you read in the liberal biased press? I don't
> > know if it is just me but Canadians are sounding more like the French
> > every year that passes. No offense intended to all you Canadians that
> > still have a backbone left and, if you are still the majority, I sure
> > wish you all would get out to vote in the next election.
> >
> >> As an outsider, american culture is apparently mostly about
> >> conflict. You people thrive on it. 'War on drugs', 'war on poverty',
> >> 'war on terror'. In other countries, 'war on poverty' is called social
> >> welfare, but noooo, you have to make up a catchy phrase for it. Same
> >> goes for the rest of the spin doctor propoganda drivel being belched
> >> there.

> >
> >
> > I'm starting to think there is some USA envy going on here. ;)
> >
> >> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to Washington.
> >> I wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.

> >
> >
> > The LA Governor couldn't order a hamberburger at McDonald's correctly.
> > Truth is you or I don't know why he was recalled. With the terrible
> > performance of the Governor and the Mayor of NO I wonder if anyone could
> > have done a better job. If he was incompetent then I guess Bush should
> > deserve some credit for making a change? My guess is you would rather
> > just complain that he shouldn't have been there in the first place. What
> > you think of the performance of the Mayor and Governor?
> >
> >> One last thing; I'll openly admit that I have participated in this
> >> thread. Guilty as charged. However I want to ask WTF any of this has
> >> to do with the Ford Mustang?

> >
> >
> > Not a damn thing but if it weren't for OT threads this place would be
> > dead in a month. Consider them a necessary evil. ;)
 
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#25 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

cprice@here.com wrote:
>
> If you said that to me in a local pub, I'd kick your teeth in, or
> die trying.


Yeah, sure. Come down here and say the things you did about Americans
in a bar and I would be the least of your worries. I guess us ugly, war
mongering Americans aren't the only ones that readily resort to
violence? Maybe you are more like us than you care to admit. ;)

> Michael Johnson, PE wrote:
>
>> cprice@here.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> North vs South, tastes great vs less filling, con vs dem,
>>> football team a vs football team b. etc etc etc.
>>>
>>> Your entire culture is based on being combative. As an amermican
>>> comedian I watched once said 'we love to fight, in fact, we love to
>>> fight so much that when we ran out of other countries to fight, we
>>> said **** it, two teams' (referring to the civil war)

>>
>>
>>
>> If what you claim is true (which it isn't) it sure came in handy for
>> the world in the 20th century. A lot of us war mongering Americans
>> died liberating hundreds of millions of people in the last 100 years.
>> Tell me, what is your problem with us really? Is it jealosy, envy or
>> you just believe everything you read in the liberal biased press? I
>> don't know if it is just me but Canadians are sounding more like the
>> French every year that passes. No offense intended to all you
>> Canadians that still have a backbone left and, if you are still the
>> majority, I sure wish you all would get out to vote in the next election.
>>
>>> As an outsider, american culture is apparently mostly about
>>> conflict. You people thrive on it. 'War on drugs', 'war on poverty',
>>> 'war on terror'. In other countries, 'war on poverty' is called
>>> social welfare, but noooo, you have to make up a catchy phrase for
>>> it. Same goes for the rest of the spin doctor propoganda drivel being
>>> belched there.

>>
>>
>>
>> I'm starting to think there is some USA envy going on here. ;)
>>
>>> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to
>>> Washington. I wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him
>>> there? Hardly.

>>
>>
>>
>> The LA Governor couldn't order a hamberburger at McDonald's correctly.
>> Truth is you or I don't know why he was recalled. With the terrible
>> performance of the Governor and the Mayor of NO I wonder if anyone
>> could have done a better job. If he was incompetent then I guess Bush
>> should deserve some credit for making a change? My guess is you would
>> rather just complain that he shouldn't have been there in the first
>> place. What you think of the performance of the Mayor and Governor?
>>
>>> One last thing; I'll openly admit that I have participated in
>>> this thread. Guilty as charged. However I want to ask WTF any of this
>>> has to do with the Ford Mustang?

>>
>>
>>
>> Not a damn thing but if it weren't for OT threads this place would be
>> dead in a month. Consider them a necessary evil. ;)
 
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#26 ·
Re: Here's another take on things

WindsorFox[SS] wrote:
> cprice@here.com wrote:
>
>>

>
>> Funny to see the buttmunch that heads FEMA recalled to Washington.
>> I wonder why that is? The Governor of LA ordered him there? Hardly.
>>

>
>
> As reported on CNN and very accidetally seen by me real late at
> night last week, it has been discovered that he lied on his resume. Oops!!


I heard he "exaggerated". I wonder if the guy that OK'ed his
credentials was the same one the gave Bernard Kerik a thumbs up for
Secretary of Homeland Security? ;)
 
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