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#1 ·
Catalytic converters: source of pollution?

Massachusetts scientists say toxic metals from automotive catalytic
converters have been detected for the first time in U.S. urban air.

The research was conducted by Swedish scientists working in
collaboration with researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

The scientists found high concentrations of platinum, palladium,
rhodium and osmium in air over the Boston metropolitan area. Although
the particles are not yet considered a serious health risk, evidence
suggests they potentially could pose a future danger as worldwide car
sales increase from an estimated 50 million in 2000 to more than 140
million in 2050.

Finding ways to "stabilize" those metal particles within the
converters "should be a priority to limit their potential impact,"
says lead researcher Sebastien Rauch of Chalmers University of
Technology in Goteborg, Sweden. Scientists have also detected elevated
concentrations of the elements in Europe, Japan, Australia, Ghana,
China and Greenland.

Catalytic converters reduce emissions of carbon monoxide,
hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides and other pollutants.

The study is to appear in the Dec. 15 issue of the American Chemical
Society's journal, Environmental Science and Technology.

Copyright 2005 by United Press International
 
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#2 ·
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:53:49 -0500, Rich <none@none.com> wrote:

>
>
>Catalytic converters: source of pollution?
>
>Massachusetts scientists say toxic metals from automotive catalytic
>converters have been detected for the first time in U.S. urban air.
>
>The research was conducted by Swedish scientists working in
>collaboration with researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of
>Technology and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.
>
>The scientists found high concentrations of platinum, palladium,
>rhodium and osmium in air over the Boston metropolitan area. Although
>the particles are not yet considered a serious health risk, evidence
>suggests they potentially could pose a future danger as worldwide car
>sales increase from an estimated 50 million in 2000 to more than 140
>million in 2050.
>
>Finding ways to "stabilize" those metal particles within the
>converters "should be a priority to limit their potential impact,"
>says lead researcher Sebastien Rauch of Chalmers University of
>Technology in Goteborg, Sweden. Scientists have also detected elevated
>concentrations of the elements in Europe, Japan, Australia, Ghana,
>China and Greenland.
>
>Catalytic converters reduce emissions of carbon monoxide,
>hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides and other pollutants.
>
>The study is to appear in the Dec. 15 issue of the American Chemical
>Society's journal, Environmental Science and Technology.
>
>Copyright 2005 by United Press International


Old news. Not much different than the special low emissions fuel
developed for California, which turned out to damage engines and
release unexpected pollutants.

And no, the enviros are never satisfied. Just look at many of the
issues they support...

--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
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#3 ·
At some point I expect one of these groups to do a study on human output
of carbon dioxide and biological waste with a plan for population
reduction. But the avian influenz HN51, ebola, will take care of THAT
problem

But wait? Another reason not to worry about this study. Aren't we going
to run out of oil by 2050, and costal cities like Boston dissapear into
the ocean due to global warming, washing away all of the platinum,
palladium etc from the streets of Beantown?

Oh no! We're doomed!

Rich wrote:
>
> Catalytic converters: source of pollution?
>
> Massachusetts scientists say toxic metals from automotive catalytic
> converters have been detected for the first time in U.S. urban air.
>
> The research was conducted by Swedish scientists working in
> collaboration with researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of
> Technology and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.
>
> The scientists found high concentrations of platinum, palladium,
> rhodium and osmium in air over the Boston metropolitan area. Although
> the particles are not yet considered a serious health risk, evidence
> suggests they potentially could pose a future danger as worldwide car
> sales increase from an estimated 50 million in 2000 to more than 140
> million in 2050.
>
> Finding ways to "stabilize" those metal particles within the
> converters "should be a priority to limit their potential impact,"
> says lead researcher Sebastien Rauch of Chalmers University of
> Technology in Goteborg, Sweden. Scientists have also detected elevated
> concentrations of the elements in Europe, Japan, Australia, Ghana,
> China and Greenland.
>
> Catalytic converters reduce emissions of carbon monoxide,
> hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides and other pollutants.
>
> The study is to appear in the Dec. 15 issue of the American Chemical
> Society's journal, Environmental Science and Technology.
>
> Copyright 2005 by United Press International
 
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#4 ·
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:28:05 -0500, Jimmy <jimsfastls1@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>At some point I expect one of these groups to do a study on human output
>of carbon dioxide and biological waste with a plan for population
>reduction. But the avian influenz HN51, ebola, will take care of THAT
>problem
>
>But wait? Another reason not to worry about this study. Aren't we going
>to run out of oil by 2050, and costal cities like Boston dissapear into
>the ocean due to global warming, washing away all of the platinum,
>palladium etc from the streets of Beantown?
>
>Oh no! We're doomed!
>
>Rich wrote:
>>
>> Catalytic converters: source of pollution?
>>
>> Massachusetts scientists say toxic metals from automotive catalytic
>> converters have been detected for the first time in U.S. urban air.
>>
>> The research was conducted by Swedish scientists working in
>> collaboration with researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of
>> Technology and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.
>>
>> The scientists found high concentrations of platinum, palladium,
>> rhodium and osmium in air over the Boston metropolitan area. Although
>> the particles are not yet considered a serious health risk, evidence
>> suggests they potentially could pose a future danger as worldwide car
>> sales increase from an estimated 50 million in 2000 to more than 140
>> million in 2050.
>>
>> Finding ways to "stabilize" those metal particles within the
>> converters "should be a priority to limit their potential impact,"
>> says lead researcher Sebastien Rauch of Chalmers University of
>> Technology in Goteborg, Sweden. Scientists have also detected elevated
>> concentrations of the elements in Europe, Japan, Australia, Ghana,
>> China and Greenland.
>>
>> Catalytic converters reduce emissions of carbon monoxide,
>> hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides and other pollutants.
>>
>> The study is to appear in the Dec. 15 issue of the American Chemical
>> Society's journal, Environmental Science and Technology.
>>
>> Copyright 2005 by United Press International

While there is some need to be watchdogs on the environment, sooner or
later the enviros will figure out that the best way to fix things is
do away with humans... then they'll start killing themselves off "to
save the earth". After they are gone, it may be a much nicer place.

Given half a chance, the earth repairs itself... whether by war, or
disease, or natural catastrophe...
--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
 
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#5 ·
Heavy metals are pollutants.... you sound surprised. I didn't make it past
grade 8 and I knew that heavy metals were considered carcinogenic.

I'm not sure what qualifies someone as an "enviro-nut", though. 10 years or
more ago, I had made remarks that, even though we had found new methods and
materials, we shouldn't get lax in our attitudes... history has shown that
the excesses of consumers will ALWAYS overload ntures ability to deal with
common compounds.

We slopped R-12 around with abandon.... AC systems, hair spray and whipped
cream propellant and God knows what else. Now, many are guilty of slopping
R-134a around like it was water.... the same R-134a that was originally to
be a "stop gap" safer replacement for R-12. How long before someone
discovers the dangers that this particular excess will deliver upon us.

FWIW, I spent most of my childhood on Canadian army bases.... asbestos was
the insulation of the day. My job includes daily "ablutions" in carcinogenic
liquids, chock full of heavy metals and Lord only knows what chemical
changes..... Am I ill... well, I suffer from the ravages of aging and the
toll my daily tasks take on me...

However, our lifestyles have overtaken us. Fresh fruit and vegetables
weren't good enough. We first had to force this stuff out of the ground with
chemicals, bypassing that "je ne c'est quois" that nature gave it. Then we
had to process it and "enrich" it and add chenicals to it and add a label
that says "MAY CONTAIN..." I'm putting this shit in my belly... can we
please come up with something better than "MAY CONTAIN....".

It doesn't take a college degree to realize that everything we have grown
dependant upon has downsides.... electricity - hydro-electric can change the
way a river works, atomic power (what can I say).... wind and tidal
generators will also surely have an affect on our planet. The things we do,
the way we do them, the things we eat and the way we grow them.....

Just as we can be sure that Rich will find another alarming report to post
in it's entirety (palgiarism and originality notwithstanding), we can be
just as sure that tomorrows advancement can easily turn into next years
problem.

I don't think that it's the bad things by themselves that will do us in....
it is our excesses that will do that.
 
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#6 ·
In a word, no.

--

"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."

-- Gene Spafford
 
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#7 ·
Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?

Kate


"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:8kccp1thfgeppv030j66lfm13f3ce9rvnj@4ax.com...
:
:
: Catalytic converters: source of pollution?
:
: Massachusetts scientists say toxic metals from automotive catalytic
: converters have been detected for the first time in U.S. urban air.
:
: The research was conducted by Swedish scientists working in
: collaboration with researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of
: Technology and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.
:
: The scientists found high concentrations of platinum, palladium,
: rhodium and osmium in air over the Boston metropolitan area. Although
: the particles are not yet considered a serious health risk, evidence
: suggests they potentially could pose a future danger as worldwide car
: sales increase from an estimated 50 million in 2000 to more than 140
: million in 2050.
:
: Finding ways to "stabilize" those metal particles within the
: converters "should be a priority to limit their potential impact,"
: says lead researcher Sebastien Rauch of Chalmers University of
: Technology in Goteborg, Sweden. Scientists have also detected elevated
: concentrations of the elements in Europe, Japan, Australia, Ghana,
: China and Greenland.
:
: Catalytic converters reduce emissions of carbon monoxide,
: hydrocarbons, nitrogen oxides and other pollutants.
:
: The study is to appear in the Dec. 15 issue of the American Chemical
: Society's journal, Environmental Science and Technology.
:
: Copyright 2005 by United Press International
 
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#8 ·
"Spike" <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote
: While there is some need to be watchdogs on the environment, sooner or
: later the enviros will figure out that the best way to fix things is
: do away with humans... then they'll start killing themselves off "to
: save the earth". After they are gone, it may be a much nicer place.
:
: Given half a chance, the earth repairs itself... whether by war, or
: disease, or natural catastrophe...


Yep, she does.
and we may not like the way she does it.

KJK
 
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#9 ·
"WindsorFox" <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote

:
: "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
: difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
: mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
:
: -- Gene Spafford

Oh My God!
ROFLMFAO!!!!

KJK
 
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#10 ·
Yeah, on the other hand, my car with no cats just passed emissions.
Locally (Alb, NM) they've adopted the OBD-II emissions testing without
any sniffer in the tail pipe. My car is completely healthy from the
perspective of the OBD-II systems so I passed the test. There is,
currently, no visual inspection, so the straight pipes, while raising
questions, did not cause my car to fail. And I can put a pair of empty
cat cans on for the visual and still pass since my car is healthy
according to the diagnostics.

The point is, cats may become superfluous on vehicles later than 1996.
 
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#11 ·
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:14:17 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote:

>Heavy metals are pollutants.... you sound surprised. I didn't make it past
>grade 8 and I knew that heavy metals were considered carcinogenic.
>
>I'm not sure what qualifies someone as an "enviro-nut", though. 10 years or
>more ago, I had made remarks that, even though we had found new methods and
>materials, we shouldn't get lax in our attitudes... history has shown that
>the excesses of consumers will ALWAYS overload ntures ability to deal with
>common compounds.


An environut is someone who constantly runs around shouting 'the sky
is falling" and posting all manner of gloom and doom reports to
instill fear in others, as if the news has just been discovered, even
though it might be years old...... Oh, wait! That's Rich.....

A large number of us who live under constant attack from
environmentalists consider there to be different degrees of
environmentalists.....

There are those who truly care about the environment, but realize that
there is no way to absolutely fix all the problems as long as humans
are involved, so they are willing to work together and compromise....
they drive classic cars which they keep tuned and in good repair.

There are those who are environmentalists because it's the in thing to
do... they work in Hollywood and drive exotic cars and replace it when
the tank goes dry.

There are those who are environmentalists because of the drugs they
took while residing on the communes raising pigs during the 60s...
they still drive their VWs.

There are those who are environmentalists for money... they still have
fine Corinthian leather seats in their cars.

There are those who are environmentalists who would just as soon turn
the earth into a nature preserve and kick all the people out. This is
a small elite group headed by Al Gore and go by the organizational
name EnviroNuts or EnviroNatzis and believe there can be no middle
ground where plants and animals are concerned.
>
>We slopped R-12 around with abandon.... AC systems, hair spray and whipped
>cream propellant and God knows what else. Now, many are guilty of slopping
>R-134a around like it was water.... the same R-134a that was originally to
>be a "stop gap" safer replacement for R-12. How long before someone
>discovers the dangers that this particular excess will deliver upon us.
>
>FWIW, I spent most of my childhood on Canadian army bases.... asbestos was
>the insulation of the day. My job includes daily "ablutions" in carcinogenic
>liquids, chock full of heavy metals and Lord only knows what chemical
>changes..... Am I ill... well, I suffer from the ravages of aging and the
>toll my daily tasks take on me...
>
>However, our lifestyles have overtaken us. Fresh fruit and vegetables
>weren't good enough. We first had to force this stuff out of the ground with
>chemicals, bypassing that "je ne c'est quois" that nature gave it. Then we
>had to process it and "enrich" it and add chenicals to it and add a label
>that says "MAY CONTAIN..." I'm putting this shit in my belly... can we
>please come up with something better than "MAY CONTAIN....".
>
>It doesn't take a college degree to realize that everything we have grown
>dependant upon has downsides.... electricity - hydro-electric can change the
>way a river works, atomic power (what can I say).... wind and tidal
>generators will also surely have an affect on our planet. The things we do,
>the way we do them, the things we eat and the way we grow them.....
>
>Just as we can be sure that Rich will find another alarming report to post
>in it's entirety (palgiarism and originality notwithstanding), we can be
>just as sure that tomorrows advancement can easily turn into next years
>problem.
>
>I don't think that it's the bad things by themselves that will do us in....
>it is our excesses that will do that.
>
>

--

Spike
1965 Ford Mustang Fastback 2+2, Vintage Burgundy
w/Black Std Interior, A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok;
Vintage 40 16" rims w/225/50ZR16 KDWS BF Goodrich
gForce Radial T/As, Cobra drop; surround sound
audio-video...
See my ride at....
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/003_May_21_3004.jpg
Feb 2004- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/005_May_21_2004.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/davescar_7_11_05_002.jpg
Jul 2005- http://207.36.208.198/albums/86810/Engine_rebuild_006.jpg
 
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#12 ·
Rich wrote:

You seem to have ingested too much lead as a young
child. Maybe you can reverse the effects by snorting
some asbestos dust. Be sure to wash it down with a
good does of DDT...


-


Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

http://www.commondreams.org/
http://www.truthout.org/


"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm


Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
 
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#14 ·
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:14:17 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote:

>Heavy metals are pollutants.... you sound surprised. I didn't make it past
>grade 8 and I knew that heavy metals were considered carcinogenic.
>
>I'm not sure what qualifies someone as an "enviro-nut", though. 10 years or
>more ago, I had made remarks that, even though we had found new methods and
>materials, we shouldn't get lax in our attitudes... history has shown that
>the excesses of consumers will ALWAYS overload ntures ability to deal with
>common compounds.
>
>We slopped R-12 around with abandon.... AC systems, hair spray and whipped
>cream propellant and God knows what else. Now, many are guilty of slopping
>R-134a around like it was water.... the same R-134a that was originally to
>be a "stop gap" safer replacement for R-12. How long before someone
>discovers the dangers that this particular excess will deliver upon us.
>
>FWIW, I spent most of my childhood on Canadian army bases.... asbestos was
>the insulation of the day. My job includes daily "ablutions" in carcinogenic
>liquids, chock full of heavy metals and Lord only knows what chemical
>changes..... Am I ill... well, I suffer from the ravages of aging and the
>toll my daily tasks take on me...
>
>However, our lifestyles have overtaken us. Fresh fruit and vegetables
>weren't good enough. We first had to force this stuff out of the ground with
>chemicals, bypassing that "je ne c'est quois" that nature gave it. Then we
>had to process it and "enrich" it and add chenicals to it and add a label
>that says "MAY CONTAIN..." I'm putting this shit in my belly... can we
>please come up with something better than "MAY CONTAIN....".
>
>It doesn't take a college degree to realize that everything we have grown
>dependant upon has downsides.... electricity - hydro-electric can change the
>way a river works, atomic power (what can I say).... wind and tidal
>generators will also surely have an affect on our planet. The things we do,
>the way we do them, the things we eat and the way we grow them.....
>
>Just as we can be sure that Rich will find another alarming report to post
>in it's entirety (palgiarism and originality notwithstanding), we can be
>just as sure that tomorrows advancement can easily turn into next years
>problem.
>
>I don't think that it's the bad things by themselves that will do us in....
>it is our excesses that will do that.
>
>


And yet we continue to live longer and longer. We must be living
right?
-Rich
 
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#15 ·
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:13:35 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
<KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:

>Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
>If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
>
>Kate


The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
tackle. Leave it for them.
-Rich
 
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#16 ·
On 7 Dec 2005 10:39:34 -0800, "Dan" <dwtalso@nuail.com> wrote:

>Yeah, on the other hand, my car with no cats just passed emissions.
>Locally (Alb, NM) they've adopted the OBD-II emissions testing without
>any sniffer in the tail pipe. My car is completely healthy from the
>perspective of the OBD-II systems so I passed the test. There is,
>currently, no visual inspection, so the straight pipes, while raising
>questions, did not cause my car to fail. And I can put a pair of empty
>cat cans on for the visual and still pass since my car is healthy
>according to the diagnostics.
>
>The point is, cats may become superfluous on vehicles later than 1996.


Catalytic converters are like hydrogen fuel; All the environuts want
them/it, but never stop to consider what is done to PROVIDE the
materials to make them. In the case of platinum, an ingredient in
converters, it's the clearing of the plant life, the blasting, the
digging, transporting, crushing, processing, refining
of one ounce of metal from at least 25 tons of rock. How much energy
and pollution do you suppose that creates in whatever backward country
it's done in?
-Rich
 
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#17 ·
Of course the average age is longer now than years gone by..... diseases
that were once killers are now either treatable or otherwise beatable.
Polio, measles, rubella, scarlet fever... the mortaliy rate was extremely
high. We can attribute the greatest portion of our longevity to medical
advancements with a healthy dose of improvements in food storage.

Interestingly, one device that improved food storage - the every present
refrigerator - was part of the problem as we treated cfcs with a cavalier
attitude.

Getting back to carcinogenic..... in place of those old ads I remember as a
child.... the one's featuring a youngster striken with polio in an iron
lung. We now see ads fr those striken with diseases that people didn't live
long enough to get.

Years ago, we had neither air quality warnings nor people getting skin
cancer from lying in the sun. We didn't have a lot of things we take as
common-place today.

The notion of zero pollution is unattainable... but we should all do our
part to minimize the impact our daily lives have on our surroundings. We
don't have to be raging environmentalists to use our non-renewable resources
with a sensible mind and we aren't enviro-nuts if we realize that there are
correct ways to dispose of some of our modern refuse.

Imagine that the world was limited to your backyard..... you can only shit
in your backyard for so long before it becomes a really unpleasant place to
be...

The world is a wide place... we can't look at it with narrow vision.
 
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#18 ·
Now there's an attitude that really works......Everyone must love you as you
leave a trail of things for other people to take care of in your wake....


"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:cjafp1d8l9hvccfhirf102p1o1lurfafne@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:13:35 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
> <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:
>
>>Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
>>If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
>>
>>Kate

>
> The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
> will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
> tackle. Leave it for them.
> -Rich
 
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#19 ·
"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:13:35 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
: <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:
:
: >Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
: >If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
: >
: >Kate
:
: The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
: will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
: tackle. Leave it for them.
: -Rich

Oh, you are out of your rabbid assed mind.

KJK
 
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#20 ·
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:48:27 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote:

>Now there's an attitude that really works......Everyone must love you as you
>leave a trail of things for other people to take care of in your wake....
>


Like what? Or are you just speculating?
Probably the thing I can't stand the most about all this are the
hypocrites who NEVER practice what they preach. Give up your
car, give up heating your house or using electricity, because they ALL
pollute. Ride the 30 miles you have to to go to a grocery store (and
only buy organic produce at 3x the price) on a bicycle during a -40
deg. Alberta cold snap!!!!!
-Rich
>
>"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>news:cjafp1d8l9hvccfhirf102p1o1lurfafne@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:13:35 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
>> <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
>>>If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
>>>
>>>Kate

>>
>> The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
>> will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
>> tackle. Leave it for them.
>> -Rich

>
 
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#21 ·
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:56:44 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
<KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:

>
>"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>news:cjafp1d8l9hvccfhirf102p1o1lurfafne@4ax.com...
>: On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:13:35 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
>: <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:
>:
>: >Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
>: >If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
>: >
>: >Kate
>:
>: The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
>: will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
>: tackle. Leave it for them.
>: -Rich
>
>Oh, you are out of your rabbid assed mind.
>
>KJK
>


And you are a typical, unthinking, knee-jerk LIBERAL.
Sell your cars NOW!
-Rich
 
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#22 ·
Interesting take, Rich.... I'm a hypocrite because of what???? Saying that
we all need to do what we can? Because I avail myself of the latest
technology? Because I recycle? What part makes me a hypocrite??

I think you should spend more money on drugs.... those cheap ones are
f*cking you up too much...


"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:48:27 GMT, "Jim Warman"
> <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
>>Now there's an attitude that really works......Everyone must love you as
>>you
>>leave a trail of things for other people to take care of in your wake....
>>

>
> Like what? Or are you just speculating?
> Probably the thing I can't stand the most about all this are the
> hypocrites who NEVER practice what they preach. Give up your
> car, give up heating your house or using electricity, because they ALL
> pollute. Ride the 30 miles you have to to go to a grocery store (and
> only buy organic produce at 3x the price) on a bicycle during a -40
> deg. Alberta cold snap!!!!!
> -Rich
>>
>>"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>>news:cjafp1d8l9hvccfhirf102p1o1lurfafne@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:13:35 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
>>> <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
>>>>If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
>>>>
>>>>Kate
>>>
>>> The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
>>> will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
>>> tackle. Leave it for them.
>>> -Rich

>>
 
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#23 ·
"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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: On 7 Dec 2005 10:39:34 -0800, "Dan" <dwtalso@nuail.com> wrote:
:
: >Yeah, on the other hand, my car with no cats just passed emissions.
: >Locally (Alb, NM) they've adopted the OBD-II emissions testing without
: >any sniffer in the tail pipe. My car is completely healthy from the
: >perspective of the OBD-II systems so I passed the test. There is,
: >currently, no visual inspection, so the straight pipes, while raising
: >questions, did not cause my car to fail. And I can put a pair of empty
: >cat cans on for the visual and still pass since my car is healthy
: >according to the diagnostics.
: >
: >The point is, cats may become superfluous on vehicles later than 1996.
:
: Catalytic converters are like hydrogen fuel; All the environuts want
: them/it, but never stop to consider what is done to PROVIDE the
: materials to make them. In the case of platinum, an ingredient in
: converters, it's the clearing of the plant life, the blasting, the
: digging, transporting, crushing, processing, refining
: of one ounce of metal from at least 25 tons of rock. How much energy
: and pollution do you suppose that creates in whatever backward country
: it's done in?
: -Rich

Is this the same asswipe that just called me a liberal? Which side of your
mouth are you whistling out of now dimwit?
Sheesh, choose a side and stick with it will you?
KJK
 
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#24 ·
"Rich" <none@none.com> barked out his ass:



: >:
: >: >Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it
right?
: >: >If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
: >: >
: >: >Kate
: >:
: >: The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
: >: will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
: >: tackle. Leave it for them.
: >: -Rich
: >
: >Oh, you are out of your rabbid assed mind.
: >
: >KJK
: >
:
: And you are a typical, unthinking, knee-jerk LIBERAL.
: Sell your cars NOW!
: -Rich


Sadly, the only intelligent posts you EVER make, are the plagiarized copy
and paste articles that you toss out now and then.

Otherwise, you have nothing of real value to offer, not even anything worthy
of entertainment value.

You are an idiot without an original thought in your empty head. Your idea
of "**** it up and let the future generations fix it" is completely absurd.
Go back to copy and paste Rich, it gives you some semblance of intelligence
by demonstrating your ability to right and left click on your mouse
buttons..

KJK
 
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#25 ·
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:41:06 GMT, "Jim Warman"
<mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote:

>Interesting take, Rich.... I'm a hypocrite because of what???? Saying that
>we all need to do what we can? Because I avail myself of the latest
>technology? Because I recycle? What part makes me a hypocrite??
>
>I think you should spend more money on drugs.... those cheap ones are
>f*cking you up too much...


ROFLMAO!!!!! Dang , and I swallowed my gum!!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!
>
>
>"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>news:cjdhp1dp0r13flj9ssrhveavnrv1n4n29f@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:48:27 GMT, "Jim Warman"
>> <mechanic@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Now there's an attitude that really works......Everyone must love you as
>>>you
>>>leave a trail of things for other people to take care of in your wake....
>>>

>>
>> Like what? Or are you just speculating?
>> Probably the thing I can't stand the most about all this are the
>> hypocrites who NEVER practice what they preach. Give up your
>> car, give up heating your house or using electricity, because they ALL
>> pollute. Ride the 30 miles you have to to go to a grocery store (and
>> only buy organic produce at 3x the price) on a bicycle during a -40
>> deg. Alberta cold snap!!!!!
>> -Rich
>>>
>>>"Rich" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>>>news:cjafp1d8l9hvccfhirf102p1o1lurfafne@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:13:35 -0600, "KJ.Kate"
>>>> <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it right?
>>>>>If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
>>>>>
>>>>>Kate
>>>>
>>>> The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
>>>> will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
>>>> tackle. Leave it for them.
>>>> -Rich
>>>

>

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#26 ·
KJ.Kate wrote:
> "Rich" <none@none.com> barked out his ass:
>
>
>
> : >:
> : >: >Has it occured to you that we should keep trying until we get it
> right?
> : >: >If not, then what legacy do we leave to future generations?
> : >: >
> : >: >Kate
> : >:
> : >: The future generations will have far more advanced technology that
> : >: will allow them to better deal with any problem we might choose to
> : >: tackle. Leave it for them.
> : >: -Rich
> : >
> : >Oh, you are out of your rabbid assed mind.
> : >
> : >KJK
> : >
> :
> : And you are a typical, unthinking, knee-jerk LIBERAL.
> : Sell your cars NOW!
> : -Rich
>
>
> Sadly, the only intelligent posts you EVER make, are the plagiarized copy
> and paste articles that you toss out now and then.
>
> Otherwise, you have nothing of real value to offer, not even anything worthy
> of entertainment value.
>
> You are an idiot without an original thought in your empty head. Your idea
> of "**** it up and let the future generations fix it" is completely absurd.
> Go back to copy and paste Rich, it gives you some semblance of intelligence
> by demonstrating your ability to right and left click on your mouse
> buttons..


He does the exact same thing in the digital photography groups I
frequent. He links to and plagiarizes boring, outdated web
articles/sites. Complains about DSLR camera brands and HE DOESN'T EVEN
OWN A FRIGGIN' DSLR CAMERA! They smack him around regularly in those
groups. Personally I think he's a troll or starved for attention, even
if it is negative.
 
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