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Ok, as many of you know, I have been looking at the different options for ECU's in the I6. From this I have gained plenty of info but virtually no hard and fast facts. This is certainly not due to the suppliers not wanting to provide them, its more a case of over information. All have offered to answer my questions however the old saying of "talk is cheap" still applies.
I truely think that they all believe their method is the best, now I want to set it all to rest and come up with a definate answer.
As I see it there are 3 options:
1 Unichip
2 Xede
3 ECU reflash (highly unlikely I know but still an option)
So I put forward this challenge:
Using my car (as I know exactly how it feels in all cases and know exactly how fast it can run the ¼) I ask that the car is run on the dyno, as is, before the chip or edit is done. It is then to be tuned as best it can be and a comparison dyno run taken. It will then be run on a Friday night at Calder Park by myself no less than 6 times and all times recorded for comparison. This will also give me a “seat of the pants” feel for the car in normal driving conditions to and from Calder from which I will get a good idea what, if any, changes have happened to the car. The chip or edit is then yours to remove as I do not ask or expect to keep the chip.
Simple challenge but it will provide a significant amount of unquestionable and unarguable data. I will then post then post the results of the comparison on aufalcon.com along with the final word from the suppliers as to why these results were obtained. Data that would be considered “trade secret” will not be published as all I want is the figures provided by the challenge.
So now its time to put your chip where your advertising is. Who's going to be up to it?
Ok, as many of you know, I have been looking at the different options for ECU's in the I6. From this I have gained plenty of info but virtually no hard and fast facts. This is certainly not due to the suppliers not wanting to provide them, its more a case of over information. All have offered to answer my questions however the old saying of "talk is cheap" still applies.
I truely think that they all believe their method is the best, now I want to set it all to rest and come up with a definate answer.
As I see it there are 3 options:
1 Unichip
2 Xede
3 ECU reflash (highly unlikely I know but still an option)
So I put forward this challenge:
Using my car (as I know exactly how it feels in all cases and know exactly how fast it can run the ¼) I ask that the car is run on the dyno, as is, before the chip or edit is done. It is then to be tuned as best it can be and a comparison dyno run taken. It will then be run on a Friday night at Calder Park by myself no less than 6 times and all times recorded for comparison. This will also give me a “seat of the pants” feel for the car in normal driving conditions to and from Calder from which I will get a good idea what, if any, changes have happened to the car. The chip or edit is then yours to remove as I do not ask or expect to keep the chip.
Simple challenge but it will provide a significant amount of unquestionable and unarguable data. I will then post then post the results of the comparison on aufalcon.com along with the final word from the suppliers as to why these results were obtained. Data that would be considered “trade secret” will not be published as all I want is the figures provided by the challenge.
So now its time to put your chip where your advertising is. Who's going to be up to it?
Too easy, APS and Unichip is up for the challenge.............bring it on.
Great initiative, Casper. I'd be suprised if there was that much in it to make a difference but would be great to see how you go.
Can I suggest that you add to the plan a reasonable period of 'street time' as well. Non-strip drivability is important too... we don't want to adopt that Holden mentality of if it goes faster when you abuse it (and nothing more) then it's better.
Also, ensure that not any cocky tuner gets involved here. If we are going to compare options it needs to be done with a proper baseline - each promoters endorsed tuner.
Great initiative, Casper. I'd be suprised if there was that much in it to make a difference but would be great to see how you go.
Can I suggest that you add to the plan a reasonable period of 'street time' as well. Non-strip drivability is important too... we don't want to adopt that Holden mentality of if it goes faster when you abuse it (and nothing more) then it's better.
Also, ensure that not any cocky tuner gets involved here. If we are going to compare options it needs to be done with a proper baseline - each promoters endorsed tuner.
most poeple chip there car for performance thats why we spend the money while the drivability is most important, the good tuner will get the numbers and the only way you will test that is on the quarter and with the ET: and the gain in mph...
Great initiative, Casper. I'd be suprised if there was that much in it to make a difference but would be great to see how you go.
Can I suggest that you add to the plan a reasonable period of 'street time' as well. Non-strip drivability is important too... we don't want to adopt that Holden mentality of if it goes faster when you abuse it (and nothing more) then it's better.
Also, ensure that not any cocky tuner gets involved here. If we are going to compare options it needs to be done with a proper baseline - each promoters endorsed tuner.
I would love to have the chip for a few weeks but, in the end, they are running a business. This is certainly not just about outright speed, I will be takeing the car for a "significant" drive to feel it's performance. As for the dyno, I dont even car what the max HP reading is, it's irrelevant, what is relevant is the difference between the pre and post runs and, at least to me, the sub 3000rpm figures. This is, IMHO, where the I6 and particularly the VCT seems to suffer the most. I just want to see what one of these chips can do...then I'll hand it back. Of course, it goes without saying that the one that proves to be the best (and yes, best is subjective of course but any comparison is), will certainly get my business.
As for "cocky tuners", if they are interested then they can take the challenge however, as you said, it would be in the best interest if the "best" tuners were to participate. This would certainly give the best comparable results.
Too easy, APS and Unichip is up for the challenge.............bring it on.
Peter
APS
With an attitude like that, when I get my 6t once uni is over, looks like I'll be getting a nice big phat phase 3 from you know who . Any other companies up to the challenge?
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. Any other companies up to the challenge?
, Wade 1636, Pacemaker PH4480s, HF Cat, Cat-Back 2 1/2" Mandrel Bent Lukey Zorst, Car-puter, XR Front and AUII Clear Side Indicators.
Dull Alloy factory mags, ooo yeah.
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