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#1 ·
Could anybody from aps please let me know why APS not being a so called retail outlet are fitting and tuning so many uni chips to people here on the forums.if i was still a uni chip dealer i would be not be very happy as to be a dealer you must pay a very large fee to be a dealer.it was my understanding when i was a dealer that aps would not do retail work fiting uni chips.one of the main reasons for us not being an agent is because dealing with aps you find that it is a one way street and it only goes there way.advertising in magazines only lists aps not there dealers and the dealers are told that all enquires will be passed onto them, reading all of these posts it appears that that is no so.all of the melbourne dealers are being done out of the work that is supposed to be sent to them.as a non dealer and knowing the rules i find this very hard to understand as i once spent money to be a dealer.
 
#4 ·
Good Evening Rob, a fair call with all that's going on here at the moment.

How's the weather at the Mount????

Cheers

Daz
 
#5 ·
just checked there web site & it lists the dealers along with there shop as a fitter

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Victoria
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T
Diesel Turbo Air Power Systems Rainer 73 Merrindale Drive South Croydon (03) 9761 7244 (03) 9761 7665

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T Dynomotive Pty Ltd Mark Trouson F1, 18 Melrich Road Bayswater (03) 9762 6500 (03) 9762 6511

Unichip Fitzgerald Racing Services Peter Fitzgerald U4 & 5/27-29 Lexton Rd Box Hill Nth (03) 9897 1555 (03) 9899 4399

Unichip G&D Performance Tuning Glenn & Matt 14 Gorden Street Cranbourne (03) 5996 1813 (03) 5996 8463

Unichip Jim Mock Motor Sport Jim Mock 35B Chambers Road Altona Nth (03) 9399 4401 (03) 9399 4484

Unichip M I Automotive Services Arthur Hatzilias 211 Bulleen Road Bulleen (03) 9850 5311 (03) 9852 0205

Unichip Technik Tuning Dean Ong 272 Dundas Street Thornbury (03) 9495 1683 (03) 9495 1383

Unichip Turbo Engineering Ray Miller 30 Mercedes Drive Thomastown (03) 9464 7727 (03) 9464 7717

Unichip
Diesel Turbo Warragul Fuel Injection & Auto Duncan Treller 102 Lampards Road Drouin (03) 5625 5101 (03) 5625 5102

Unichip
Diesel Turbo Wes Turner Motors Wesley Turner 2 Johnson Court Kyneton (03) 5422 3098 (03) 5422 6128

Diesel Turbo ARB Northern Kerry / David 188-190 Mahoneys Road Thomastown (03) 94609988 (03) 9460 1100

Diesel Turbo ARB Southern 18 Princes Highway Doveton (03) 9793 0002 (03) 9792 0777

Diesel Turbo Auto Improvements Colin Belfield 623 Princes Highway Bairnsdale (03) 5152 1226 (03) 5152 4400

Diesel Turbo Ballarat Off Road Tony Hendy 401 Mair Street Ballarat (03) 5331 7078 (03) 5331 4316

Diesel Turbo Bendigo Off Road Ian / Mack / Steve 251 High Street Kangaroo Flat (03) 5445 7100 (03) 5445 7199

Diesel Turbo Geelong Off Road Centre Darryl Marsland 57 Morgan Street North Geelong (03) 5278 1537 (03) 5278 1922

Diesel Turbo Gippsland 4WD Centre Andrew Lot 7, Princes Highway Traralgon (03) 5174 1560 (03) 5174 9566

Diesel Turbo Gwiz Automotive Gary Downes 14 Union Street Sale (03) 5144 7990 (03) 5144 7215

Diesel Turbo Mildura 4WD Accessories 55 Seventh Street East Mildura (03) 5021 3213 (03) 5021 1874

Diesel Turbo RBC Automotive Steve Factory 2/13 Molan Street Ringwood (03) 9870 1855 (03) 9876 0892

Diesel Turbo Shepparton 4WD Centre George Medley 180 Benalla Road Shepparton (03) 5822 1877 (03) 5831 5864



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New South Wales
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T
Safari Turbo Autotech Engineering Pty Ltd Brad/Spiro 18 George Street Granville (02) 9897 1378 (02) 9897 3473

Unichip Autotech Performance Autoprotech Jim Ghelis 11 Chalder Street Marrickville (02) 9557 4000 (02) 9557 4366

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T C & V Performance Pty Ltd Con Elfes 34 O'Dea Avenue Waterloo (02) 9690 2000 (02) 9690 2008

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T
Diesel Turbo Croydon Racing Developments Jim / Lance 9 Blaxland Street Silverwater (02) 9648 4264 (02) 9648 3458

Unichip
Diesel Turbo Graeme Cooper Automotive Graeme Cooper 99 Princes Highway St. Peters (02) 9550 2689 (02) 9519 5984

Unichip Paynters Automotive Repairs Nathan Bajada 16 Tathra Street West Gosford (02) 4325 3983 (02) 4325 5933

Unichip Superior Automotive Services Rodney Gibbes 79 Bassett Street Monavale (02) 9979 6289 (02) 9979 4253

Diesel Turbo Albury Shock Absorbers Centre Bob 321 Townsend Street Albury (02) 6021 5544 (02) 6021 8539

Diesel Turbo ARB City Southern 4x4 Accessories 377 Princess Highway St. Peters (02) 9565 2455 (02) 9565 2755

Diesel Turbo Bobs 4WD Centre Bob Jenner 23 June Street Coffs Harbour (02) 6652 6944 (02) 6652 6944

Diesel Turbo Capital Four Wheel Drive/ Phil Swindale PO Box W362 Tamworth (02) 6762 0541 (02) 6762 0809

Diesel Turbo Hume Exhaust & Towbars & 4WD John Harris 598 Hume Street Albury (02) 6021 2477 (02) 6041 3097

Diesel Turbo Inland Diesel Services Wayne Rigg PO Box 1509 Orange (02) 6361 0610 (02) 6362 4232

Diesel Turbo Macquarie 4x4 Centre Duncan Scott Unit 2, 20 Curtis Road McGraths Hill (02) 4587 7114 (02) 4587 7070

Diesel Turbo North Coast Diesel Peter Nelson 299E Pacific Highway Coffs Harbour (02) 6651 4665 (02) 6651 6506

Diesel Turbo Opposite Lock - Dubbo Charlie Gardiner 38 Bourke Street Dubbo (02) 6884 4211 (02) 6884 4114

Diesel Turbo Out of Town 4WD Len / Fred Black 65 Northville Drive Barnsley (02) 4953 3288 (02) 4953 1916

Diesel Turbo Rick Flanagan Auto Pro Rick Flanagan 99 Hastings River Drive Port Macquarie (02) 6583 5300 (02) 6583 4886

Diesel Turbo Riverina 4WD Rodney Cochrane 1 Dobnoy Avenue Wagga Wagga (02) 6925 4770 (02) 6925 4969

Diesel Turbo South Coast 4WD Goeff Faulkner 114 Montague Street Fairy Meadow (02) 4227 1900 (02) 4227 1546



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Australian Capital Territory
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip Autotech Services Pty Ltd Peter Dowling 11-13 Collie Street Fyshwick (02) 6280 5061 (02) 6239 1232

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T Dynamic Tuning & Service Patrick Goonan 1/30 Lyell Street Fyshwick (02) 6239 1258 (02) 6239 2081

Diesel Turbo Cooma Diesel Services Matt 64 Kembla Street Fyshwick (02) 6280 0178 (02) 6280 0179



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Queensland
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T Bob Romano Performance Motors Bob Romano 387 Lytton Road Morningside (07) 3395 8255 07 3395-8266

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T CNJ Motorsport Kelvin Wright 102 Kingston Road Underwood (07) 3290 3966 07 3290-0050

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T Dynolink Vern Crawford Unit 6, Veness Court Garbutt (07) 4755 0000 07 4775-3513

Unichip Fist Performance & Auto Pty Ltd Alistair 2/1460 Boundary Road Wacol (07) 3271 3223 07 3271-3233

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T
Diesel Turbo Leigh Holman's SVS Leigh Holman 184 Newell Street Westcourt (07) 4033 2555 07 4033-2355

Unichip
Diesel Turbo Northside 4x4 Jamie Mehl 1/84 Lear Jet Drive Caboolture (07) 5495 5519 07 5495-2416

Diesel Turbo ALS Exhaust Al Grimshaw 3 Egerton Street Emerald (07) 4982 1255 (07) 4982 1181

Diesel Turbo ARB Townsville Mike Elliot 739 Sturt Street Townsville (07) 4721 1133 (07) 4721 1833

Diesel Turbo Burdekin Motors Ray McKaig 183 Queens Street Ayr (07) 4783 7077 (07) 4783 7044

Diesel Turbo Cramer Diesel Injection Jason 18 Peachy Street Toowoomba (02) 6280 0178 (02) 6280 0179

Diesel Turbo Motsons Performance Tony / Ben 803 Beaudesert Road Coopers Plains (07) 3277 7766 (07) 3216 6466

Diesel Turbo Outback Jacks/623 John Parkinson 1/168 Redland Bay Road Capalaba (07) 3823 5900 (07) 3823 5835

Diesel Turbo Performance Off Road & 4WD Centre Ken Smith 199 Logan Road Woolloongabba (07) 3391 0055 (07) 3391 0099

Diesel Turbo Rockhampton Dynotune Terry 301-305 Bolsover Street Rockhampton (07) 4927 2112 (07) 4922 3320

Diesel Turbo Tableland 4WD Wayne Jackson Post Office Box 30 Innisfail (07) 4095 4132 (07) 4095 4713



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Northern Territory
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Diesel Turbo ARB 4WD Accessories Post Office Box 37211 Winnellie, Darwin (08) 8947 2262 (08) 8947 0074



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South Australia
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip Blackwood Dynotune Ricky Monserrat 2 Stirling Road Blackwood (08) 8370 3450 (08) 8370 3585

Unichip
Falcon XR6T Morpowa Auto Centre Simon Poolenski 14 Famechon Cresent Modbury North (08) 8264 2077 (08) 8396 4232

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T
Diesel Turbo Turbo Tune David Keen 959 South Road Melrose Park (08) 8297 1030 (08) 8371 0914

Diesel Turbo Eyre Motor Group Goeff Philips 7 Mortlock Terrace Port Lincoln (08) 8682 2599 (08) 8682 2883

Diesel Turbo Smithart Auto Services 163 15th Street Renmark (08) 8586 5530 (08) 8586 5529

Diesel Turbo Trident Tyre Centre Terry Gilchrist 14-16 Bay Road Mt Gambier (08) 8725 7799 (08) 8725 3303



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Western Australia
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip
Diesel Turbo Armadale 4WD Michael Clode 1/7 Keates Road Armadale (08) 9497 3066 (08) 9399 7305

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T Formaz Performance Centre Kevin Dewar 31 Peel Street O'Connor (08) 9331 5599 (08) 9331 5500

Unichip
WRX / STI PSI Performance Pty Ltd Brett Henderson 5/47 Paramount Drive Wangara (08) 9302 5944 (08) 9302 6687

Unichip West Racing Motor Development Tim Slako 5/6 O'Malley Street Osborne Park (08) 9446 1913 (08) 9244 1913

Diesel Turbo Australian Fuel Injection Centre Rob Edwards 29 Darcey Lane Kalgoorlie (08) 9021 6677 (08) 9021 6090

Diesel Turbo Bunbury Fuel Injection John Moir 19 Stuart Street Bunbury (08) 9721 8366 (08) 9721 8622

Diesel Turbo Freemantle Fuel Injection Gavin Jones 27 Strang Court South Freemantle (08) 9335 4803 (08) 9335 5756

Diesel Turbo Primepower Peter Allan 53 Great Eastern Highway Kalgoorlie (08) 9021 8899 (08) 9021 8877



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Tasmania
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T
Safari Turbo Howell Automotive Rodney Howell 199 Main Road Moonah, Hobart (03) 6273 2400 (03) 6273 2105

Safari Turbo Precision Exhaust Mike Shumann 1 King Street Burnie (03) 6431 4977 (03) 6431 8060

Safari Turbo TJA Motors Terry Newell PO Box 465 Mowbray (03) 6331 4190 (03) 6331 2509




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New Zealand
Unichip WRX / STI Falcon XR6T Diesel Turbo Company Name Contact Address Suburb Phone Fax

Unichip
WRX / STI
Falcon XR6T
Diesel Turbo Auckland 4x4 and Electrix Ltd Richard Brooks 35 East Street Auckland (09) 298 4910 (09) 298 2595

Unichip
WRX / STI The Chequered Flag Richard Gillies 83 Sydney Street Wellington (04) 939 3636 (04) 939 3636

Diesel Turbo Pukekohe Diesel & Turbo Don Holgate 12 Glascow Road Pukekohe (09) 238 6111 (09) 238 3187

Diesel Turbo Autokraft Limited Craig 693 Tremaine Ave Palmerston North (06) 359 0100 (06) 359 0101

Diesel Turbo Peter Munro Commercials Ltd. Peter Munroe 137 Blenheim Road Christchurch (03) 343 0114 (03) 343 0114

Diesel Turbo Turbocharger Reconditioners Gary Whall 308 Wilson Road Waltham, Christchurch (03) 366 9360 (03) 366 9370
 
#7 ·
Herrod Motorsport said:
Could anybody from aps please let me know why APS not being a so called retail outlet are fitting and tuning so many uni chips to people here on the forums.
Rob, How are you? Here's the info you requested though not sure why it's a concern for you in any event as you're not a Unichip dealer.

1) APS has always installed and tuned Unichips and will continue to do so as APS is a tuning business and we need to keep up with latest model cars in order to assist the Unichip dealer Network.

2) We Normally Unichip and tune 40 to 50 cars a month, nothing to speak of really as there are thousands of cars on the road for Unichip dealers to tune.

3) Not sure where you understanding came from though it's certainly wrong, APS will always dyno tune and install Unichip computers for both retail and trade customers.

4) Many dealers in Melbourne do heaps of Unichip work and tuning in fact one of the bigger Unichip dealers is located within 3 kms of APS and he has no concern with APS installing and tuning Unichips so why should you have any concern?

5) APS has tuned many Ford cars (GT's and GT-P's) for FF members because of the the many customer referrals we receive and the fact that we have retuned and sorted out a number of GT cars that have been tuned elsewhere, Rob it's a free world and people can come directly to APS if they wish. I believe that Many FF members also know that APS has the best and most up to date tuning facility and equipment in melbourne and that APS has 20 years of experience in tuning most types of engine management, and that we always go the extra yard to achieve the best possible result for the customer.

Regards

Peter
 
#8 ·
bedflute said:
thers no good tuners in perth ,straight from the horses mouth,any negative comments on aps or unichips you dont have to wait long before rod or mark jump on the wagon to protect there messiah,sickening

its not about protecting anybody its more about telling the facts as it is, it easy to critercise other's & its plain to see that you are not fond of the A.P.S. product just as its easy to see that i am

its no secret that i have a Unichip on my Ute & that i am very happy with it, if you can spare the time do a search & you will see that in the begining i gave it a good bagging just like you tend to do now

you will find that i was actually going to fit an X-ede to my car & after a few heated open discussions with Peter i actually issued him a challenge to fit a Unichip to my car to see if it was as good as he said, prices we discussed & a time was aranged & now the rest is history

what is your history with the Unichip, have you had a bad experiance with it or an A.P.S. Product or are you baseing your judgement on what you have read from others

regards
rod
 
#9 ·
Rob I have a unichip installed by APS and I am glad that I have the option of choosing to have them install it and tune it. I have done so because when I met Peter and was shown around the place and met his team I chose them because I felt comfortable with them.

I have also met and had discussions with other Unichip dealers who I also have faith in and I would have no hesitation in having work done by them on any future cars I have. I have met these dealers through APS directly and so they will benifit from having been introduced to me by APS in the future.

So to me the consumer, it seems like a two way street. If Peter wanted to, I am sure he could open up a bigger workshop and install exclusively in Victoria.

Now I am not a dealer so I am not aware of the fees involved in being one. But the good thing is you have the choice not to and you have decided for your own reasons not to be an agent anymore and thats cool.

Rob you have been great for the Ford fans of the world with your outfit being at the leading edge of aftermarket go fast bits for many years and you will be for many years to come. But if current agents of unichip have issues with the way APS conducts their operation I am sure they will take it up with Peter in a more discreet manner than an open question on a public forum.
 
#10 ·
not trying to cause any trouble here it is just the fact of reading so many people talking about uni chip and all seem to be having them fitted at aps,if my thoughts were wrong i apoligise but it just looks to me that the other melbourne dealers are not getting a fair go .,
 
#11 ·
Herrod Motorsport said:
not trying to cause any trouble here it is just the fact of reading so many people talking about uni chip and all seem to be having them fitted at aps,if my thoughts were wrong i apoligise but it just looks to me that the other melbourne dealers are not getting a fair go .,
Rob,

It's a free world you know and FF members can go to which ever Unichip dealer they are happy to do business with, it's simply their choice and thanks for being so concerned regarding the issue. :coo:

Regards

Peter
 
#13 ·
bedflute said:
i dont think rob needed to be told where unichip dealers are located,so your long winded reply was what? go back and check past posts and there you are the three amigos
Are you sure your looking in the right lucky dip bag?
Funny that i thought there where more than three!!!:wnc:
 
#15 ·
bedflute said:
thers no good tuners in perth ,straight from the horses mouth,any negative comments on aps or unichips you dont have to wait long before rod or mark jump on the wagon to protect there messiah,sickening
the only thing you have right is ''messiah'' that would be Robert the APS tuner.
 
#17 ·
i could be out of line here but isnt it funny when somethin new come along it starts the unichip bashen again & its always the same old story i am sure most here are sick of the bitchen

any advertising is good advertising and its the bashers that do the best advertising for unichip hope unichip thank you for the great job ha ha
 
#18 ·
GRUMPY1 said:
i could be out of line here but isnt it funny when somethin new come along it starts the unichip bashen again & its always the same old story i am sure most here are sick of the bitchen

any advertising is good advertising and its the bashers that do the best advertising for unichip hope unichip thank you for the great job ha ha
Interesting that you noticed that oh Grumpy one..........lol

Peter

APS
 
#19 ·
Hi Peter,

If given the opportunity, would you ever consider a program that could give you all of the ability of the "edit" thing, but in real time? Also, is there such a product on the market?

Thanks
Matt
 
#20 ·
Citric XR6 said:
Hi Peter,

If given the opportunity, would you ever consider a program that could give you all of the ability of the "edit" thing, but in real time? Also, is there such a product on the market?

Thanks
Matt
Absolutely and we have a program that will do the VR/VS/VT holden engines in real time and we purchased the program in 1994 (fantastic program).

In my opinion real time tuning is the most important element for thorough and accurate engine tuning.

This Australian designed tuning software we have for the VR to VT holden engine makes the American LS1 edit program look like drum brake technology..........lol

Peter

APS
 
#21 ·
Herrod Motorsport said:
not trying to cause any trouble here it is just the fact of reading so many people talking about uni chip and all seem to be having them fitted at aps,if my thoughts were wrong i apoligise but it just looks to me that the other melbourne dealers are not getting a fair go .,
HI Rob, you have looked after myself and my ute several times, i would like to explian why i went to aps for a unichip. As you know i had an Xede it was installed at another shop and tuned there also.. only because you were busy and in Adeliade with your BRutes and short of time. i had a chat to you because i wasnt happy with the shop that tuned my ute and they had 2 goes at it.
after you tuned it i dropped 0.200 1st up strait away was a great tune, still have that tune on Rods laptop..
so after Rod had very good results with APS.
i gave the Unichip a try on the condition that if it didnt out perform the Xede the Xede would be put back on my car at no cost back to me..
1ST time out i dropped 0.130 its not bad considering i already had a chip.
its a different car to drive, pulls better though all the gears...
my brothers AU 6 dropped 0.550 on Unichip alone..
Rob i reffer your products to many members here, you have done more for FORD aftermarket performance than anyone in Australia. i talk up anyones products that help me get to where i want to go..Rob if you check through my posts i have stuck up for your products also because there good and you stand by what you sell.
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(guys dont turn this into a chip war thread all i am doing is explaining why i went to APS, as the question was asked why APS is installing unichips)
 
#22 ·
aps said:
Absolutely and we have a program that will do the VR/VS/VT holden engines in real time and we purchased the program in 1994 (fantastic program).

In my opinion real time tuning is the most important element for thorough and accurate engine tuning.

This Australian designed tuning software we have for the VR to VT holden engine makes the American LS1 edit program look like drum brake technology..........lol

Peter

APS
Do you think that this sort of tool will ever be available for BA Falcons? The reason I ask is that I think it would be great if we could get our car "real time tuned" but without the use of a piggyback computer.
 
#23 ·
Well heres my UNBIASED two cents worth!

I'm looking at doing mods to my G.T as well and I'm no computer tuner or mechanic I'm lucky to know the basics, so when talking to tuning shops and trying to deciper through all the BULLSHIT who knows what to believe.
So the only way for me to see what works and what doesn't is to hit the Forums and see what others have done and if it's worked!

Now I've never met Peter from APS or even talked to him, likewise with Rob from Herrods. Now I'm sure they both know what there doing, but the fact is the only one that seems to post before and after Dyno sheets of improvement on customers cars is APS. I've never seen dyno sheets of Herrods performance products or piggy back computers so I don't know what they can do or if they work! So how about we see the results! So as far as I'm concerned for the moment if I do my mods It will be off to APS for a unichip as I know what I can expect by what I've seen not what I've been told by the tuner!!!
 
#24 ·
GRUMPY1 said:
i could be out of line here but isnt it funny when somethin new come along it starts the unichip bashen again & its always the same old story i am sure most here are sick of the bitchen

any advertising is good advertising and its the bashers that do the best advertising for unichip hope unichip thank you for the great job ha ha
i'll tell whats funny is how active peter has become since that new edit is in the news,coincidence my arse,you would believe john howard and i dont think i bagged the unichip itself just somepeople involved with it
 
#25 ·
BB-GT said:
Well heres my UNBIASED two cents worth!

I'm looking at doing mods to my G.T as well and I'm no computer tuner or mechanic I'm lucky to know the basics, so when talking to tuning shops and trying to deciper through all the BULLSHIT who knows what to believe.
So the only way for me to see what works and what doesn't is to hit the Forums and see what others have done and if it's worked!

Now I've never met Peter from APS or even talked to him, likewise with Rob from Herrods. Now I'm sure they both know what there doing, but the fact is the only one that seems to post before and after Dyno sheets of improvement on customers cars is APS. I've never seen dyno sheets of Herrods performance products or piggy back computers so I don't know what they can do or if they work! So how about we see the results! So as far as I'm concerned for the moment if I do my mods It will be off to APS for a unichip as I know what I can expect by what I've seen not what I've been told by the tuner!!!
very good point but you are only new here, there have been heeps of herrod dyno sheets posted i have posted up 3 myself over some time.
and as many guys on the forums can say robs dyno has a very lean read out.
 
#26 ·
bedflute said:
i'll tell whats funny is how active peter has become since that new edit is in the news,coincidence my arse,you would believe john howard and i dont think i bagged the unichip itself just somepeople involved with it

so whats wrong with johnny howard
 
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