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Old 12-01-2002, 23:09   #1 (permalink)
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2004 ford or holden

So who thinks ford are going to be out done buy holdens 2004 model? In wheels they say their new V6 could end up producing 200kw. compared with our 182 this will give holden a win in the power department.
I personally think that holden will beat us in power, but do people really care about that. the only reason the vt/vx was outselling our au was due to the looks.
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Old 12-01-2002, 23:22   #2 (permalink)
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A while ago one of the magazines (wheels or motor) had a "leaked" document full of power targets for the HFV6. While the 3.6 Litre was 190 kw as stated by Wheels magazine they also had the 3.8 as being a lower power with less revs but with more torque. From memory they were quite close to BA Falcon outputs. This would make more sence considering that what they are going to be building is a big family car while the 3.6 was going to be for a European car (I think a alfa romao but I could be wrong) The most powerful engine in the lineup was a 3.2 turbo with 270kw but Holden are saying that they won't use it, I guess that depends on how well the XR6 Turbo goes hey.
There is no doubt that the new Holden engine is going to be powerful and it could well be more powerful than the Barra 182 but I doubt to the extent to which wheels are making out. Surely in the interests of fuel economy and cost of the engine they won't make a 200kw base model. Having said that if you were told that the next base Falcon engine would be 182kw 2 years ago would you have belived it?
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It would be hard to say at such an early stage. However, I must admit the next Commodore reads quite well. The HFV6 should be a ripper. But Ford isn't going to sit around doing nothing for the next few years. I'm sure the Falcon will be every bit as good.
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This is 2004, the 182kW BA is in 2002!! The BA gets an upgrade by then and a more rev happy, 200kW I6 from Ford should be a walk in the park if relevant.

It has also been mentioned on LS1 from an announcement from Holden that the new Holden 6 will NOT be in a 'Commodore' until 2005-06. The first versions of the engine in 2004 will go overseas. Same goes for the Gen 4.

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I have heard of a new Ford V6 ('Cyclone' is the code name I think).
In 3.5L guise it delivers 250hp (187kw), this could be the rumoured V6 for the next Falcon if they ditch the I6.
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Old 12-01-2002, 23:43   #6 (permalink)
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I heard the 2004 commadore is getting the new V6 as well as a new transmission, suposably the same as the BA has. Even if holden does get these upgrades by 2004 we have better suspension steering and nothing will excuse the uglyness of that rear end YUK.......
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I heard that in late 2003 the VY II will come out with the new V6 and the new 5 speed auto.
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Old 12-02-2002, 00:48   #8 (permalink)
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Yeah, well none of that even COMPARES to what I heard. I heard Commodores are not as good as Falcons and are not as Australian as Falcons. Unlike everything else I heard, this I beleive.
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Let's keep things in perspective. If the VE doesn't put on 100kg+ over the VY I'll eat my hat! No doubt it will be a substantially better bit of gear than VY (and it should be), but it will have teething problems of its own as well.

Don't get hung up on "vapourware" guys, look at what is here and now.
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I'm sure the DOHC 4L still has plenty of room for increases in power especially if they play with the VCT but in the mean time lets live in the present it's easy to say could gonna whatever as it stands we have the superior package& lets celabrate the fact
PS having less power in base form never hurt the sales of the VT did it
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