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Old 11-24-2003, 23:23   #1 (permalink)
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2L Escort vs 4.2L one tonner

Ok, As you may or may not know, I've got a 2L Mk II Escort.

What you probably don't know is that my mothers boyfriend has a 253ci V8 (that's a 4.2 Litre, isn't it? I'm guessing so as the 250ci x-flow 6s in the XB & XC's were classed as 4.1 Litre...) Holden one tonner, which he seems to think is a sportscar, even with it's 3-speed automatic transmission...

I have no doubt that, in a straight line on a dry road, his Holden would have no problems outrunning my little Ford.

But, would the tables be turned if the roads were soaked, we were both on dirt roads or if there were a few decent bends in them through some hills.

I'm not planning on giving him a race, but seeing as he's one of those "4 cylinders, that's half an engine" & "Ford, you know what that stands for? hehehe" d*ckheads, I'm just wondering if people think I would stand a chance if I was stupid enough to give him a run.

Obviously, he'll have more power under his right foot then I would, but taking into account the fact that there is practically no weight over the driven wheels (making it more difficult to get traction), and the fact that the weight distribution is heavily skewed towards the front (making cornering speed less then a well-balanced car), I think I'd stand a chance...

Or am I dreaming?

P.S. Once again, I'm not considering giving him a run, just wondering...
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Old 11-24-2003, 23:31   #2 (permalink)
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FOUR CYLINDERS ARE HALF AN ENGINE.....lol
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:08   #3 (permalink)
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253 the performance of a 6 with the fuel consuption of an 8.
In stock form,your car tuned well should do him in a straight line.and anialate him in the twisty stuff,tell him to get his hand off it.(you dont need to prove this its just one of those things.)
The 253 only runs a 2 barrel carb I think ,and they are guttles.
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Old 11-25-2003, 01:13   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 2L Escort vs 4.2L one tonner

Learn how to drive on a circuit then challenge him at Winton.

Phillip Island, Calder and Sandown are more "power" circuits but if you know how to drive and he doesn't you should still eat him.

There were some very sideways Escorts at a Sandown Maserati Club day recently I'll try and get the times....

Get him to run at a FFCC sprint. There will be some quick guys there and he will hopefully be humbled. Tell him to put up or shut up.

Donít tell him about one of the clubmans that turns up at the Benella Auto Club sprints. It has a stock 3.8 VN V6 and 5 spd T5 gearbox it is only a light weight (guess 500-600ish kilos) and flies around there. Everyone else is 3rd-4th-2nd-3rd-2nd-3rd-2nd-3rd-4th-3rd-4th around there and these guys just leave it in 3rd and fly around leaving the torque to do all of the work.

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if your esky is in a decent state of tune I would not be suprised if you hose him.
Best way to show him up is to try and get onto a race track ( as has been mentioned ) and watch him battle the thing.
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:52   #6 (permalink)
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been there, done that. the 253 is best used for a boat anchor. in a ute, it could be a slightly different prospect to some of my victories of old, but on a twisty track...no contest.

and you can also tell him that the '4 cylinder is half a car brigade' dont actuially have a clue. especially someone who choses a 253 to make his point :-)
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yeah take him on the straight line if your running a 4speed and it's running well then you'd kill him up to about 100km/h
On the track or twisties no contest.
Better yet go work the tities off the escort and go hunting HSV's
If the body is good do it.
If there is one thing the world needs it's more tuff Escorts.
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Better yet go work the tities off the escort and go hunting HSV's
If the body is good do it.
If there is one thing the world needs it's more tuff Escorts.

Pfffftt HSVs!

I have said it before and will say it again go buy a Cosworth Turbo and go hunt some real cars.... M3 anyone?

P.S when I first saw the title of the thread I thought you had a head on with a one tonner!
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do you know what diff ratio it runs behind that 3 speed ?
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do you know what diff ratio it runs behind that 3 speed ?
Nope, I have no idea, and neither does he, although he claims to know. He says "It's a 253 with the high comp head and a 4.44 diff!", but if it had a 4.44 diff it'd be SCREAMING at 100km/h behind a 3 speed, right? So I'd be guessing it's more like 2.7 or 3.2 or something like that. Definitely doesn't seem like it's 4.anything! I'm guessing it's a fairly low ratio, seeing as it doesn't exactly rocket off the line and is pretty quiet on the freeways.

Oh yeah, one time he wanted to show off, it'd been raining and he floored it out the front of our place, engine roared but it hardly wheel spun and took off like it was towing a boat!

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Learn how to drive on a circuit then challenge him at Winton.
Now THAT sounds like fun, and a great way to show him exactly what "half an engine" can do, LOL!

Would both he and I be able to race on a track like that with (fairly) stock cars, or would we need to do some safety mods first, such as roll cage and fire extinguishers?

I'm surprised people think I'd have any chance in a straight line, is the 253 really that bad? What am I saying, it is a Holden... :lmao:

Thanks for all your input guys, it's nice to know I would stand a chance at embarrassing him...
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