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Old 09-11-2002, 06:16   #1 (permalink)
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5 speed auto in BA2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the latest motor magazine, in one of the short columns on the side, it said that the BA2 will recieve a 5 speed automatic transmission, and that it is doing 6.8 seconds to 100. SOUNDS BLOODY GOOD TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-11-2002, 06:23   #2 (permalink)
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They said "almost a second quicker than current AU Falcon." Now tell me whicj AU does 0-100 in 7.8 seconds? XR6? The Forte does it in about 8.9 seconds.

Now back to thier very optimistic 6.8 second accleration. Considering it does have 182kw, if the weight is light enough it might be possible. But the possibility of that oerformance lies within the car, I don't see how an AUTO trans could make such a performance difference.
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I read that too.

Would that mean 0-100 in 6.8 on the base model?
Hard to believe, but would be great if it was true...

That's 2 seconds quicker than AU (not 1)
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Old 09-11-2002, 06:27   #4 (permalink)
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It is possible, because they are talking about the AU 1 which was actually recordered at one time for doing 8.5 seconds. The difference came with AU2 with more weight, thats when the car lost the time. I think its very possible, considering the outputs that the base BA has. And if its true that ford weigh there cars with 2 people and a full tank, i have every bit of confidence.
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Motor mag did predict that the VX series II Commodore would gain a 5 speed automatic, so they are not always correct. I hope this is true though, especially since Holden actually will have a 5 speeder before too long.
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Old 09-11-2002, 07:29   #6 (permalink)
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rumor is the 5 speed may be this
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpower...ws/press1.htm.


which is an update to the Hydra-Matic 5L40-E that appears to be used in bmw applications

http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpower.../apps/5l40.htm
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Looks like its max engine size for application is only 3.3L... hehehe!
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that would be the 5L40-E not the new 5L50-E 5
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I would assume a 5L40E would have the same rating as a 4L40E which the Holden V6 is currently hooked up to? Will there be a 5L60E for V8s and 5L80E for big block V8s?
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Old 09-12-2002, 00:58   #10 (permalink)
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Guys, If you read the BTR-Auto web site, they are now owned by Ion Limited, you will see that they have made "significant progress" on a 5 speed auto and are considering development of a 6 speed :-) see this link http://www.ionlimited.com.au/news_re...asp?PageID=105
They also state that they have contracts with Ford until 2006, so obviously Ford won't wait until then before they upgrade the box. There are taxis and fleet vehicles that have been using the gearbox in field trials for several years and it is apparently going well. However, I think Ford do not want a repeat of the problems when they introduced the 4 speed in 1989 and are happy to wait and prove it fully while the Commodore still uses a 4 speed. We will definitely see a 5 speed auto in a few years, I would imagine when the new Commodore engine and gearbox is introduced and who knows, maybe a 6 speed sometime.

In regards to a 5 speed being quicker off the mark, it all depends on the ratios and the overall gearing, like any other gearbox. What is the diff ratio they will use, how low is the first gear? Remember the Commodore has a much lower first and second then the Falcon and this allows it to overcome the deficit in power and torque to the Ford and match or slighty exceed its performance and this also contributes to the Holden's poorer shift quality, particularly on kickdown . (However with an extra 30kW and 75Nm, the Barra will only show it rapidly receeding taillights to the Holden!)

If Ford and BTR use a lower first gear and/or diff and have gearing of say 8-10 km/h per 1000 rpm, rather than the present 12km/h per 1000 rpm (I think), then they can get a substantial improvement in aceleration (and towing performance) and no loss of economy.

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