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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 04-30-03, 04:37 AM Thread Starter
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mad Adventures in Jagland

A chance conversation the other day reminded me of the joys I have had with Jag/Rover/Leyland product over the years. For the edification of those who haven't experienced the unbridled joys here is a brief (well not detailed anyway) look at the pleasure(!).

For someone of my generation, the Jag stands as a thing to be admired for it's elegance, quietness and inherent beauty - much like a woman (in many ways) they allure you with their curves and tactile pleasures - to your doom.

Like a moth to a flame they drew me as a young man in the svelte form of a "one owner, low mileage" Series 1, XJ6L. The glistening burgundy paintwork, cream leather and silky smooth driveline (and low price) overwhelming the senses as I signed on that fateful dotted line.

Much like signing on that other dotted line (the one with marriage certificate at the top) - this was the beginning of the end for SEL221 and I.

It didn't take long to hit the first speed hump on the road to happiness with this car. On the way home from the dealer it gently glided to a halt with something very clearly dead. As an introduction to the wonders of Jaguar electrics this was relatively simple with the ignition fuse having decided to give up the ghost. The manufacturers had very kindly left a spare in the fuse box (that should have been a clue) and I drove the rest of the way home admiring the driving experience.

I won't bore you with the details of the next 19 months of ownership except to say that I learnt the following things very quickly (and very expensively).

1. Jaguar incorporated Lucas based electrics in their cars out of some misguided loyalty to the old country and a post WW2 dislike of anything German like Bosch electrics - the fact that Bosch made reliable, lower cost electrical components was deemed a conspiracy by some remnants of the Third Reich.

2. Lucas didn't gain the name "Prince of Darkness" for nothing. Things would cheerfully stop working at random and then start working as soon as there was a mechanic in sight.

3. Jaguars of that era had dashboards that were littered with switches - many of which were three posiiton toggle switches. It soon became apparent that the three positions were - not working, might work and let's start a fire. Made you a bit relucant to actually use them.

4. The electric windows were of the permanently closed position type - unless it was pissing with rain in which case they (and the sunroof) were stuck in the permanently open position.

5. I had wondered at the extremely low mileage on the car when I bought it but it didn't take me too long to figure out that the previous owner was actually too old to walk after it broke down at the roadside and had wisely chosen to take the bus.

6. Standard boot equipment needed to consist of the following items:

(i) A torch (it usually broke down at night).
(ii) An emergency triangle (to save some poor bastard hitting it stranded on the side of the road in total Lucas induced darkness).
(iii) Several rolls of electrical tape, spare fuses, electrical wire and a Jag workshop manual - the latter being useless but it gave you something to read while waiting for the RAC.
(iv) An emergency box of matches if all else failed.
(v) A roll of masking tape and some black plastic to cover the windows with.
(vi) A large fire extinguisher.

7. Trips needed to be planned so that there was either plenty of spare time to call a cab/mate/tow truck on the way or you simply stayed at home.

8. They were not to be taken on frist dates. For some inexplicable reason, being stranded in some out of the way place, holding a torch in the pouring rain, didn't actually impress women. Hard to understand really.

9. Whilst the notion of gently cruising in gentlemens attire was appealing to me at the time, the only practical clothing was a pair of coveralls. Didn't matter what the occasion.

Sadly, like most things that are attractive from a distance; day to day living with this car was always going to end in divorce. - the only difference being that the financial pain came before and not after the separation.

It was a happy day when another young man came along in response to my (almost pleading) ad - with stars in his eyes and his heart set on driving happily into the sunset. If you're still out there somewhere mate - I'm sorry.

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You forgot the most important fact of JAGUAR...Grace,Space,Pace. I too have owned Jags and yes they can be cantankerous bitch's,but when they're going well,damn they're worth it.

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Is lucas still doing the electrical ? Or did Ford management teach them a lesson ?
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My dad's best friend said this about his Jag as he was on his death bed - "Get them to do the exhaust."

This proved two things;

1 - It's British, there's always something wrong with it.
2 - It doesn't matter how shitty something is, it can still bring great joy.
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i re built a mk2 jag when i was working in qld it was a 1960 somthing vintage double over head cam i6 about 3 liter from memery took an engine lifter just to get the head off . but was very capeable of 200kph it was a real ball tearer on the highway and that smell of old school leather when u jump in is just magic and oh so comfy :) as for the electrics i have had a few cars with lucas and have had very few problems i think im very lucky. tho most problems are induced by other ppl *%$#in around
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Aren't all things british pretty much like, this, most british bikes and other british made cars fall into the same catorgry..

To change spark plugs, drop the engine, to change the headlight globe drop the engine, change the oil filter, disconnected the battery then drop the engine and replace.. Then you need all the special tools that only exist for this one job and its a model specific tool, being the model 1 year either side has this other tool, which is the one you bought.. Then you have things that fail that no one actually knows what the hell it is for, but most likely is something extremely important..

It would be nice to own a early jag, MG, austin etc, but the sheer you have to be a mechanic with a full kit in the boot just to drive it puts me off.
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Good story Russ.. Love the last line mate..

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Oh Darn, heres me saving up all my pennies for a Jaguar XJ220.

A Burgundy (Wine Red) XJ220 for me is like the girl of my dreams. My guess though since Ford took over Jaguar, that is should be a fairly reliable car, well as reliable as a Ford anyways.

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Originally posted by XR_Strider_GuY
A Burgundy (Wine Red) XJ220 for me is like the girl of my dreams.
... and just like the girl of your dreams a car like this will steal your heart, leave you poor, rooted and laying in the wet patch.

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