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Old 11-10-2003, 14:46   #1 (permalink)
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Another dodgy speed camera in Vic

POLICE have frozen up to $8.5 million of speeding fines amid calls for the entire fixed camera network to be shut down.

Thousands of fines are estimated to be in limbo after the latest discovery of a faulty camera in the Burnley Tunnel.

The fixed camera under investigation accused a truck driver of travelling almost 100km/h over the posted limit when he was snapped driving uphill.

The truck, owned by Linfox, recorded 174km/h when it was photographed just after 10am on October 23. The limit in the tunnel was 80km/h.

Police acting assistant commissioner Bob Hastings said police would test all fixed speed cameras in Victoria to ensure innocent drivers are not being caught in the blunder.

"Technology is technology and I think we have indications of occasionally it doesn't say the right thing," Mr Hastings said.

"Most of our cameras are doing what is required of them -- that is detecting speed at the right speed.

"We want to go in there and test these sites and make sure what we are saying is right," he said.

The Opposition called for the camera system to be shut while the testing is carried out.

"Until Victoria Police can guarantee absolutely the accuracy of each individual speed camera, those cameras should be shut down until they are fully inspected and certified," Opposition transport spokesman Terry Mulder said.

"Two failures in such a short amount of time should have alarm bells ringing due to the fact these are used for revenue raising," he said.

"The community have lost confidence in speed cameras. Whatever action the Government take, they only have themselves to blame.

"There needs to be a full investigation into the testing and calibration of the cameras.

"They need to protect the interests of Victorian motorists and not John Brumby's hip pocket."

But Mr Hastings said the police would not shut down the fixed speed cameras while testing was carried out.

"We don't want to open up and say it is a free-for-all and do what you like," Mr Hastings said.

"We will still detect but probably suspend all processes until the testing is complete."

He said police and independent assessors would test the cameras, software and metal strips on the road in a bid to find out the problem.

"We want to make sure now everything that goes out is checked, doubled checked and make sure it is right," he said.

The dodgy Burnley Tunnel camera was revealed after another faulty camera was switched off on the Western Ring Rd last Wednesday.

The $8.5 million of frozen fines is the estimate of speeding drivers that pass both faulty cameras.

Police conceded the Deer Park camera, located over the outbound Ring Rd lanes between Forrest St and St Albans Rd, could have been wrongly detecting speeds for up to seven months before the malfunction was identified.

That camera snapped Altona woman Vanessa Bridges driving her 30-year-old Datsun 120Y at 158km/h in July. She was fined $430, lost eight demerit points and her licence was cancelled for a year.

Ms Bridges contested the fine after independent checks on her car found the car could not travel any faster than 117km/h.

Mr Hastings said the faulty cameras in Deer Park and the Burnley Tunnel would stay deactivated until fully tested.

Until then, the fines will be held by the Traffic Camera Office.
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Old 11-10-2003, 20:35   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Another dodgy speed camera in Vic

As far as I'm concerned they need to be regularly calibrating all the fixed speed detection devices, otherwise how do the government or police know they are still operating correctly. As the two instances so far show, they clearly are not.
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Old 11-10-2003, 21:15   #3 (permalink)
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given that 3kph is the tolerance how do we know thousands of people arent speeding at all when they get done for 4-20kph? What if a camera is out by 5kph? Most people wouldnt question it.

TAKE THE FRIGGEN CAMERAS DOWN!!!! Oh and Peter Bachelors call for more responsible TV advertising, the new RX-8 Add shouldnt depict the doors to hug the owner in case people are fooled to think the doors open and close automatically (false advertising) and the driver will not rev it more than 2000rpm, and take the corners a lot slower!

YEAHHH RIGHT, how boring
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I havenít had the need to find this out exactly but it is my understanding that you are entitled to ask to see the calibration record of a radar gun in court (or prior) so my suggestion if you have had a ticket from a fixed speed camera is to ask to see the calibration record. They havenít got one, and given the erroneous readings that have been coming to light recently you may be in with a shot at getting off.
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The Bracks government are in real trouble over the contract with Tenix Solutions. The $16.00 per infringement notice on CityLink throws in doubt the legality of the infringements. Motorists are denied Due Process because the contractor, who provides 'expert' evidence eg the photographs, witnesses for the prosecution in contested cases, stands to profit from successful prosecutions. The tenet that the testimony or evidence from a witness who stands to profit (financially or otherwise) is either heavily discounted or as in most cases ruled inadmissable.

Now that the $16.00 per infringement paid to Tenix by the Bracks government is now out in the open, it is only a matter of time when it will be tested in the courts via a class action.

It is really funny that the government is facing the prospect of having to pay the money back, re-instating points, licenses, legal costs and costs associated for lost income!
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Re: Another dodgy speed camera in Vic

Is something really happening about that $16 per ticket thing or is it just another biut of wishful thinking on the part of the Australian public?

Is there anything we can do to help the process along?
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I'm in a mixed mind at the moment, I've got a fine here that needs to be paid by the 15/11/03 from a camera on citylink.

I dont know whether to pay it now or not....lol
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When in doubt...dont pay it... The burden of proof lies upon them to prove that you were speeding, and their instrumentation obviously isnt anything to go by.....

GOODBYE MR. BRACKS.... and when that happens, would other State Labor Governments like to follow Mr Bracks down to hell?

Ok that was harsh....
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"We don't want to open up and say it is a free-for-all and do what you like," Mr Hastings said.
VicPol could try using some of those shiny new "Highway Patrol" cars to actually patrol highways, if they're so worried about people not thinking they're being constantly watched by Big Brother if they turn the speed cameras off...
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