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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
I am writing this message as a concerned parent. My son,
who is all of 15 has been posting messages on these sites.
He seems very distressed with the accusations of following his
doings further and now that I am aware of the situation, I
ensure this will not happen again. I have dealt with him in a serious manor and with knowledge of the internet, I am aware of the rights and boundaries.
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Good for you. If this is not more drivel then I may just applaud you. He best be a little distressed over the information that he has given as false as well as the fact that he has been basically telling false truths.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
My son has never given out a false identity, he stated
himself as “MR INFORMER”.
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That in itself is true to a point. Shall i dig further into the case where he is claiming that he is a FORD employee? hall i go on to show you that he has made himself out to be buddies with GP himself? Shall I show you where even GP has stated that he does not know who your "son" is? I can and will forward this documentation if so required.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
Even if he did create a user name of “Geoff_Polites”, there was no abuse to this name as this account was not even activated, it was suspended before he finalised his registration/activation of the account. The forum says messages are the posters responsibility, and does not mention that you are allowed to personally take more action than deleting a member, therefore you may be breeching your own contract by speaking with a Ford representative.
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Ohh yes the FORUM can not be held liable in any legal maters, but we do play a role of showing respect to the company for which this site is helping/supporting. We CAN and will do what actions we feel are required to these posts on here. The admins and Moderator Staff have full right under the T&C to:
quote:: The owners of FordForums have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason they deem fit.
So any breech you state that we have commited it far from the truth. I also have FULL control over what is DEEMED fit or not. A person signing up with more than one account obviously has alter motives. What i do find quit amusing is that your "son" not only did it once, but two times. I do have the IP and MAC address records for every person be they post or not on this server. Shall I provide to you the records indicating 3 such attempts to breach orur systems? Shall i persue legal recourse against you or your son for the falsification of information as well as the falsification of records on this site? Remember if he signed up as an adult then guess what he is legally treated as an adult. It is not my responsibility to verify each and every persons age. I comply with the COPPA rules on the internet. Your son falsified information to obtain higher posting status on here. So shall I persue the legal recourse for that?
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
I have also recorded his 4 posts from this site as well, and the verbal and threatening words posted in relation to my son is very strong harassment.
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Again, your sons breach of the T&C on here is the issue at hand now. Lets recap shall we. Your son knowingly and falsely claimed his age as to be higher to bypass the COPPA systems on here that would have protected your son of any legal recourse. Your son has also breached the following part of the T&C
quote: By becoming a Member of the FordForums.com system, you agree not use the FordForums.com Forums to post any material
which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy or which otherwise violates any law.
So shall i continue with the information and further breaches that your son has done on this server. He has knowingly and falsely claimed that he is Older than he is on this site. He has impersonated or shall i say attempted to claim he was someone he was not by signing up not one more time by twice. Providing false information on here. As i have stated i have his MAC address which is unique to each machine. This is recorded not only in the logs on here but on the firewall logs. These logs can and have been used for legal recourse in the past and the user agrees to this upon signing up. Your "sons" illegal activities were stopped prior to him continuing on here.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
Especially towards a minor, which can fall into the category of chid abuse. Every one of these members who have harassed my son should have action put again them if you are going to take action over my son.
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Again, your "son" breached and falsified his information on here. If he followed the set guidlines of the COPPA agreement he would have been protected under US laws that govern this server. For the Record this server follows the LAWS of the United States, the State of Texas and the county courts of Tarrant county. Your son Breached the protocol and would under the laws of this state relinquished any and all claims of Childhood by knowingly flasifying documents for his protection. He knowingly falsified a document to gain access and more control on this site. I look forward to you trying to claim child abuse in this matter and so ask that you make a claim in the Courts of Tarrant county and serve myself as well as the members you state "abused" your "son".
I have actually copied this thread and the time/date stamps of this post and have forwarded to the legal council for AutoForumsCentral.com. I have also forwarded the attempts to breach the system by your "son" with his attempts at falsifying further information on here. A copy of this post is included for the record. AutoForumsCentral.com is the parent company of Fordforums.com.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
If you choose to speak with a Ford representative in relation to this incident, it shows that you are taking responsibility for posts in your forum, therefore you will also be accepting responsibility for the verbal harassment to a minor in your forum.
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Far from it. The members on here, as you clearly stated are responsible for the posts and actions that they make on here. For us to discuss the information with Ford Reps is far from the site or for that matter members taking ownership in this. Ford reps stepped forward and confirmed what was being said in these forums as being true and accurate to the point of the "MR I" is not working for Ford. Further the posts made by members on here showing that your sons claims were false...by refering to the members knowing the management and staff of Ford AU is far from accepting any liability on their part or this site. You continue to state that we verbally harrassed your "son", but you fail to notice his transgressions against this site. You fail to notice that your "son" attempted vainly to create a second and then a third account. His second attempt was to try to make himself out as the President of Ford Australia. To put this mildly your "son" is NO angel.
As i have stated above i look forward to your attempt at any legal recourse for anything said on here towards him by myself. Remember that you will need to file any actions at the county court house of Tarrant County, Fort Worth, Texas.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
If you had concerns after my sons first post, you should have suspended his account and closed the topic. Not wait until 1800 viewed the site, 114 had replied and rated it 5 stars.
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lets take a look at this statement. You would go onto say earlier that we have no recourse per the T&C of this site to do anything but delete a memeber. But as i have pointed out we can do more than that. We however allowed these post to occur on here. Remember this is not the only site that he has posted to and has been made to look the in informed. We here at FF.com take pride in the fact that we try to allow most members the freedom to post. We also allow the postings of rebutals to any message on this site. NOW knowing that the claims that your "son made were false...the members on here began to point this out. Yes mind you, some were direct and to the point on how they felt. Yes, we can close the thread because it is false, but with the members showing your "son" the facts that his statement was false and further requesting that he identify himself is not a reason to close the thread. We genuinly were persuing further information. Some felt that he was false in every claim and some persued to verify the information as true or not. I even called him out...questioned him....as to identify himself on not only this site but others. He skirted the issues and then further falsified information. We did nothing wrong in leaving a post open for him to be....shall we say for a lack of a better term....schooled.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
No threats have been made by him
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That is true. No bodily threats were made by or for that matter towards your son.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
no new accounts have been activated,
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That is true that the accounts were caught prior to his activation of them, but that does not mean he did not try to further claim he was someone he was not. Try to further play this game he is playing. So since he was cuaght now he comes running to you for reourse because he has been pointed out on here.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
he never discussed Ford Australia related issues on your forum,
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Yes he did. he stated in his posts that he worked for Ford AU, that he had full authority to post message by GP on here and on other sites. He has claimed several things on here that are Ford AU related in one sense or another. Your "sons" actions were dare i say liabel to not us but to Ford AU.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
and most people approved his posts, stating that it was enjoyable entertainment. Even Mr Polites stated in a pervious post that my son did not work at Ford Australia and told people to disregard further posts made by “MR INFORMER”
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Ohh yea some folks found it humorous that your "son" tries to make himself out to who he is not. Yes, I do admit that it was entertaining at some points.
Mr. Polites did state your "son" did not work for Ford AU. That he had no knowledge of any person your "son" claimed to be. he did say to disregard post of his. I do applaud GP for doing this and bringing forth the information that he had. But alas this site is NOT owned by, directed by, controlled by or managed by Ford US, Ford AU or any of the Ford Subsideries. We have listened to GP and took his information on the subject. We listen to and take information from several legit members of Ford AU.
The other members went on to continue with "taunting" MR I to see what further information he would spout off as well as see how big a hole he would dig for himself. For us to close a thread for that is not truely ideal. If your "son" came on here and rebutted with threats then yea i would have closed the thread. IF there were threats against his personal safety or livelyhood then yea the thread would have been closed.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
I can only apologise for my son and he showed me numerous posts recently, I think you should open a new topic discussing what Ford should or could be.
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if you would look over the rest of this site you will see that is what some topics are. There are others that are technical then some that are comedic in nature.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
His posts are formal, never offensive and it appears people have know “MR INFOMER” did not work for Ford a long time ago after Mr Polites said so.
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Hence the comedic value on this. He made several of us laugh at his ignorance of the subject he was claiming. Further it was obvious that your "son" was not an employee. Some people found it fun to annoy him and get him going, which it did. If he was so concerned as you state that he was why did he continue this charade? why did he continue to taunt the members on here and on other sites the way he did? Was it a game to him? Well from the actions that he has taken on here and other sites he has brought this turmoil upon himself.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
It is also a worry when my son receives personal e-mails giving personal contact details of Ford employees. He could have given that information to anyone, but I ensure the message
will be deleted.
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First off....your "son" has in his full power to not show his email or receive emails through this site. That is an option that is lined out when signing up. He left his public email open to be used through the site for members to post to him. I am sure that you saw the disclaimer that was in the email sent through this site. Again that clearly states we have no control over what is said in the email. So tell us what the site has done wrong here? Seems that the member in question allowed others the ability to send him a message. As far as your son getting information on contacting a Ford Employee....well i can definately state that you can get this from Ford. I am sure the member that posted said email to your "son" has full right to announce, post or email the phone number that she did. Considering that she is a representative of Ford. But alas that is something that you will need to take up with Ford AU and not this site. As previously stated we have no ties with management of Ford Au, except that they post on here and inform us of happenings with Ford. They use this site as an outlet.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
I didn’t realize that internet security was so slack, once again, that e-mail had an attachment from your forum.
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Yes the email was sent through this site. That is one of the features of security for the members that we have. We do not post the emails for anyone to see. You have to use a form to send an email to the members on here. It is the members option to have this email address available to other to send messages. No one sees any header info or for that matter any info on the person being sent the message except his screen name.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
I hope we can settle this now, as I am not
concerned for my son, but the reputation of this forum and its members.
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What concern is that? What reputation issues do we have? We are well respected in the Ford community, Ford AU management and with most of the aftermarket tuners in Australia. The only concerns you should have are for your "son" and the lack of respect that he has given , the lack of control that he has had and the lack of common sense that he has used. The reputation of this site is far from tarnished. In fact, with the antics of your "son" have further proven that the members on here are knowledgable and informed with Ford. It clearly shows that we are not gulliable fools or people that listen to every whim. We have information given to us and trusted with us from Ford AU. Your "sons" actions just shows the community of Ford Enthusiasts that are not on here that the members on here do know quite a bit. So concerns should be directed towards your sone an the way you are raising him. Obviously you have bno idea what your son does or has done on the web. Now far be it me to tell you how to raise your son, but you should be looking as to why he is doing this.
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Originally posted by MR INFORMER
I hope this will be the last e-mail I need to send to this forum. I intend this to be the final chapter to a long and annoying issue.
regards,
DG
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Well that would be nice as well. We are placing your "sons" account in the Coppa controled postings. Since your "son" is not of age. I see you say it is an annoying issue...long and annoying. I take it from that remark that you have more issues at hand with him besides on here.
Have a nice day.
John aka LunaticSS
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