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Old 04-22-2002, 15:38   #1 (permalink)
 
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Barra power ups

I was wondering what the thoughts were on what would be suitable power margins in the new model line up.

By this I mean as a potential buyer what would be an exceptable margin.

Lets start with the rumoured turbo version. Figures seem to vary between 210 and 240kws. Lets say it comes out with 220kws. The next model would be the XR8. What power would you the buyer be expecting to justify your purchase?

The continue on into the T4 line up and why not stick the GT at the end for good measure.

Please try and be realistic !
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Old 04-22-2002, 15:43   #2 (permalink)
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AV XR8 - 240kw (don't want to upstage T3 owners)
AV T4 - 280kw
AV GT - 300kw (got to compete with GTS)
AV GTHO - 320kw (got to kick HSV but and be worthy of the GTHO badge)
Only problem I see is HSV have 350kw LS6 waiting for an engine bay to slot into so 320kw may not be enough.
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Ok so you are saying a 20kw gap in the respective ranges and a 40kw step between the ranges. (ranges = XR V T series)
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Old 04-22-2002, 16:12   #4 (permalink)
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Well what Falchoon suggested is what i reckon Ford should do also. Perhaps with the GTHO they can quote only 330kw but actually produce alot more i'd be happy with that. No need to quote big figures i say.
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Old 04-23-2002, 00:27   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Barra power ups

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I was wondering what the thoughts were on what would be suitable power margins in the new model line up.

By this I mean as a potential buyer what would be an exceptable margin.

Lets start with the rumoured turbo version. Figures seem to vary between 210 and 240kws. Lets say it comes out with 220kws. The next model would be the XR8. What power would you the buyer be expecting to justify your purchase?

The continue on into the T4 line up and why not stick the GT at the end for good measure.

Please try and be realistic !
Here's my view of things...

FALCON, FAIRMONT, FAIRLANE, XR...

Base I6 should be around 175Kw.
Base 5.4 V8 should be around 230Kw.
N/A I6 XR6 to be around 190Kw
The turbo XR6 needs to be around 220Kw with a 30Kw jump to a 250Kw XR8.

T-SERIES...

The new Barra T-Series should have the following outputs...

TE50: 5.4 V8 with 280Kw,
TS50: 5.4 V8 with 280Kw,
TL50: 5.4 V8 with 280Kw,
Turbo I6: 250Kw,
GT: 5.4V8 with 300Kw,
GTHO: 5.4 V8 with 330+Kw.

Just remember the 4.6 V8 is probably still being considered an option by Ford.
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Old 04-23-2002, 01:06   #6 (permalink)
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Id expect XR6 to have 220kw, XR8 245kw, TE,TS,TL 280kw or more depending on torque and would hope GTHO would be aimed at 350kw {+Huge Torque} 6.2.

I also think there would be a market for an entry T Series featuring a 250kw Turbo 6 with speed between an XR8 and a TS50 for not much more $ than an XR8. I am a huge fan of kits and think its crucial for the next Ts to keep T3s tuff type styling and agro wing but i would'nt want to see this entry car gain much weight over an XR6 like XU6 has {therefore is slower} than Comode S. Perhaps it could keep stylng close to the regular XR6 and be sold as an XR6 Sprint.

To put all this another way id be happy if--

----XR6 did 6.4,14.6 or less. price $41k starting
----XR8 did 5.9, 14.1 or less.price $49k starting{some XR6 options standard though}
------TE did 5.5,13.7 or less. price $60k starting auto and man
------TS did 5.6,13.8 or less. price $70k starting auto and man
------HO did 4.9,13.0 or less. price $100k

All these times manuals with autos only the usual couple of tenths slower. These figures or faster or cheaper should see us on a good thing.
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A 230-240-250kW XR8, can be easliy matched by Holden, they've got lots of power in reserve that they can throw into the SS. But then you got to say what is enough.
Really 240kW should be sufficient for XR8

175kW Futura, Fairmont
200kW Fairmont (V8)
185kW XR6
220kW XR6 Turbo
240kW XR8

260kW TE50
275kW TS50
275kW TL50

300kW GT
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This is just my opinion. 175 kW is not far off the actual output of the EB Falcon GT (which was supposedly 183 or something). It would be ridiculous in a base model Falcon on grounds of safety and efficiency.

They can make the top models as powerful as they like, but the taxi versions must be reasonably economical unless they want to hand that market to Holden on a platter as well.
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For a starters...Ford needs to make their cars cheaper than holden...not a huge deal, but yes cheaper.

My Sugestions
XR6 = 190 kw
XR6 Turbo = 240 kw
XR8 = 250 kw
T Series = 280 kw
GT = 310 kw (just to beat GTS' specs)
GTHO = 330 kw

V8 Option on base falcon etc = 240 kw

hmmmmmmm that's my thoughts anyway, damn i aint been on this site for ages, been on your site mainly Jack
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ohh and base model Falcon (I6) = 170 kw

no offense jack but that woz how many years ago? bloody ages LOL so yeaa
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