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Hey all youze turkeys, all cars fall apart if they hit an immovable, hard object hard enough, have a look at the other thread about the BA-XR8 ripped in half.
they don't have to be imported Jap crap, even our own Ford do.
the voice of reason...
same goes for under powered cars! they hit a pole at 160km.h (which they can easily reach) and its game over
This isn't about the type of car, nor even about ability to control a skid or advanced car handling. It's about the disproportionately high number of young drivers involved in fatal accidents. Simply and tragically.
Current policies enforced by the "stay-safe" committee obviously aren't working. For God's sake you beaurocrats listen to some informed and forward thinking. If what you're doing isn't working why persist? Why continue to hammer revenue making speed cameras when clearly that doesn't work? (Yeah, I know the answer to that is obvious)
Wheels magazine (hate it or love it) has some interesting strategies. They outline a "Young-Driver-Fatality Action Plan" :
Wada ****en joke. The fact that the guy was driving an import had nothing to do with it. I can mod my 15year old EA to do 10seconds as well but it will still be my fault if i crash.
They mentioned that police think they might have been racing so i wouldnt be so quick to jump on the bandwagon and blame it on the "insanely dangerous P-plater in a high-powered car".
The fact is, the guy decided to take a risk by driving dangerously. Whether he was a P-plater or not is irrelevant, there are just as many if not more people who drive dangerously who are older than 21.
But the image of those red P's in the corner of a smashed car makes a nice news headline though dosnt it, so why dont all those people who think they know whats best for me and all the other young drivers go ahead and jerk their knees and start spouting off their anti p-plater rhetoric.
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This isn't about the type of car, nor even about ability to control a skid or advanced car handling. It's about the disproportionately high number of young drivers involved in fatal accidents. Simply and tragically.
Current policies enforced by the "stay-safe" committee obviously aren't working. For God's sake you beaurocrats listen to some informed and forward thinking. If what you're doing isn't working why persist? Why continue to hammer revenue making speed cameras when clearly that doesn't work? (Yeah, I know the answer to that is obvious)
Wheels magazine (hate it or love it) has some interesting strategies. They outline a "Young-Driver-Fatality Action Plan" :
1. Dramatically increase the focus on roadcraft
(A Focus on driving skills rather than ability to pass a test)
2. Raise the licensing standard
(They suggest here that what are described as "advanced" skills should be basic. eg efficient use of vision and braking techniques to avoid accidents. I agree completely here; licenses are given away too easily and unless avoidance .... not necessarily always skid pan and sliding...... techniques are learnt and passed some people should NEVER get to drive on the road)
3. Tackle over confidence and risk-taking.
(as they say, this often leads to loss of control and crashes. But it's an education issue and has got to involve some "nasty" videos IMO)
4. Limit oportunity for peer group pressure.
(Unfortunate as it is the stats here don't lie. Add a passenger and rates go up. Add 2 or more and it skyrockets. I agree with Wheels there can't be a curfew but some limits have got to apply to try to curb the peer pressures involved with a group of young people....in a hot skyline.....etc etc etc ...)
As somebody with a young son who's been driving just over 12 months I can tell you it's a constant worry. As a parent I can only advise and encourage......and pray.
1 thing i have noticed in shit like this, drink driving accidents etc etc....the driver so often seems to survive! sure they have to live with killing their friends, but they just seem to live while the passengers die.
also, on the driver training part....we are all taught not to lose control of a car....for example, in the event of trying to avoid an accident, with the way we have been taught to drive, we have no idea how a car will react when its brakes are SLAMMED ON and the steering wheel is jerked either way to avoid the accident.
i saw a bit of that thing on ACA or today tonight or whatever where they had P platers driving a toyota on a test track...to highlight their in-experience...how are we expected to know how to control a car when nothing has even been SAID about thiat kind of thing....
Look a one off driver training test isnt going to make a lick of difference in the long run, and would probably cause a case of over confidence in quite a few people.
P Platers were killing themselves years before we had the issue of speed cameras, in fact speed cameras dont have much to do with it at all.
Fact - Driver inexperience/over confidence leads to most crashes of young drivers
Fact - It can happen in any car - there was a fatality down at Mosman near Xmas last year when a P plater (girl) rolled a convertible peugoet. Hell, it doesnt even matter if its a jap crap import, it can happen in a Falcon.
Fact - Young drivers of high performance cars, through peer pressure and miss aligned mentorism would have a greater propensity to fall prey to "hoonism" and miscalculated risks - I'm not saying this statement is absolute to all young drivers of high performance cars, but I would suggest that there is a significant number that are spoiling it for the rest of you.
As for the suggested policies, I do think a cap on passengers is a very good idea - considering in this last accident, it was the two back seat passengers that die.
the way i see it is that its a fact of life, you stuff up, some ppl learn from it, some dont and some dont live to learn, no matter what you do, you wont be able to fix it, ya probably better off trying to create world peace.
putting a cap on passengers??? wouldnt that mean more p platers driving around since theycant cruise in da one car? wouldnt that mean 3-4 cars per one now that would be driving around, meaning that they would all cruise together, which would lead to more cars driving recklessly, which in turn would lead to more car accidents and more than liekly more youths dying???
like i said b4, you have to learn from mistakes, you dont make mistakes, how can you possibly learn anything, i remember i used to dirve like i was in a video game, until i crashed my car with my brohter in it, i learnt my lesson, but i still ahve a lot to learn, and the way to learn, by living through more stuff ups.
so, with that been said, why get worked up over something that you have no control over.
sorry if it sounds abit harsh but thats the fact of life
The thing with passenger limits is that is goes against the advertising of having a designated driver. So they can either limit the number of passengers and risk having more p-platers driving home drunk, or try something else. I dont think passenger limits should be in place- i drove my drunk friends around lots when i was on my P's. And having people about to spew certainly limits how fast you take corners etc
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