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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 12-02-02, 12:03 AM
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False advertising???

I live in south-east queensland and the other day i flicking through a small local newspaper when i got several pages in and spotted a 1/2 page ad for the VY commodore. The ad stated the following:


New Model VY Commodore Sales- 6095
New Model BA Falcon Sales- 3662

It's results that count- we'll let the sales
figures do the talking.

Australia's most influential motor magazine had this
to report about Commodore: "Right now, Holden is
indisputably the hottest act in the Australian car
business. The lion badge brand is more popular
than in any time in its long history and Commodore
is utterly dominant in the large car segment with
a share nearing 50%" - Wheels, October 2002


Now, what annoys me about this is that they clearly state that 6095 VY's have been sold against 3662 BA's.
I thought that those figure were for general Commodore and Falcon sales which includes run-out VXII and AUIII models???

If i am incorrect than i apologise to Holden for claiming these numbers, but i am sure i remember reading that we wouldnt get a clear indication of the true VY/BA sales figures until January/February.

However, one thing that amuses me regarding this ad is the invitation to test drive the VY. If i was holden i wouldnt be doing that, 'cos after they have driven a BA, the VY is going to seem pretty ordinary, hehe!

Sorry for not being able to post a picture of the ad in question but i dont have a scanner.
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the main reason why VY outsold BA was due to production of the BA. Firstly its hard to get an XR6/Turbo, while its very easy to get an S or S super Six, Secondly XR8 hasnt even been realeased while there are SS's nearly at every Holden Dealership, and thirdly alot of the VY orders were based on people not even seeing the car before it was released, from a fleet perspective. Im assuming by the time more fleets are changed over, most companies will go for BA, and by the time you can actually get an XR6 / Turbo / XR8 off the showroom floor, i think Ford will win.
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It is false advertising because the VFACTS still include the VX and AU so that is utter rubbish. They can't work out how many they have sold until the VFACTS no longer include the run out models. Of that 6000 maybe 3000 are VY's. There is a reason why there are delays on the BA and not on the VY and it's called demand.

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hey im not against Ford here at all, got a BA on order actually that comes in on Thursday. All im trying to do here is justify why Holdens sales figures are still marginally better then that of Holden.
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yeah actully I'm starting to notice that there are a lot more Barras around then Vy's in my area. When the Vy first came out I didn't see many barra's at all but now there every where.
I guess all the spanners that got the Vy with out thinking drove a barra then traded the Vy back in.

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It really depends on where you go i guess. SOmetimes i see more BAs (rarely unfortunately). Sometimes about a 50/50 split.. or sometimes, VERY unfortunately, way more holdens --> like yesterday on my way home on Melbounres M1 Fwy, i saw 14 Vys (all kinds, wagons, SS', calais') and only one BA. :(
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so is 8EHiND right or wrong? do the no.s quoted in the ad include VXII and AUIII or not?
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Originally posted by falconS
so is 8EHiND right or wrong? do the no.s quoted in the ad include VXII and AUIII or not?

He is right. Numbers for October included a significant proportion of run-out models from both companies...

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wasn't the real figure 9000+ commodores (mixed vx and vy) and about 5500 - 6000 falcons? I remember reading that sometime ago. not sure. I will ask a mate who works at Holden. He told me Holden had their 3rd best sales months in Holden's history!!!

Digressing for a moment, when are the figures for november out?
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i am mainly just a vistor at these forums reading news but thought i would post my first post here in this thread

just like to say i am a holden person but i don't get into arguments based on silly guesses and would like to congratulate Ford on what seems like an excellent car in the BA. i take a lot of interest in the Australian car industry as a whole not just my fave make holden

anyway the point is that i don't think this was false advertising as i have the latest wheels mag with me at the moment

the October sales listings are like this:

1. Holden Commodore 9667
2. Ford Falcon 5252

so it appears as if those numbers listed earlier were just for the specific models
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