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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-25-02, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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After five years in the shadow of Holden's Commodore, the Ford Falcon is back.

The $500 million Falcon has emerged the winner by a nose in a test by the Herald that compared the main models of both makers over a combined 20,000 kilometres.

A panel of motoring writers from the Herald and The Age drove four Fords and four Holdens more than 2500km from Canberra to Melbourne to Sydney and back to Melbourne. The route included freeways and sealed and unsealed rural roads.

Four of the five judges voted in favour of the Ford and praised it for having superior equipment, refinement and engine performance.

However, it ran into criticism for its increase in fuel consumption.

At a time when the world's car makers are trying to reduce fuel consumption, the Falcon has become thirstier because it has put on 130 kilograms and now weighs in at nearly 1.7 tonnes.

The Commodore still has a significant fuel economy advantage, but both models are now closer than ever in dynamics, styling and performance.

Despite the improvements, industry pundits - and Ford - believe it could take years for the Falcon to regain the mantle as Australia's best-selling car because the Holden Commodore has so much sales momentum.

Having invested double what Holden spent on the new Commodore, the president of Ford Australia, Geoff Polites, said: "I'm more interested in making a profit than selling more cars than Holden."

After the longest domination by Holden in the history of the two brands, it is hard to imagine that in October 1997, the last time the Falcon led the sales race, the pair were separated by just 81 sales. This year the gap will be close to 30,000.

You know, somebody actually complimented me on my driving today. They left a little note on the windscreen. It said, 'Parking Fine.'So that was nice.

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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-25-02, 08:53 PM
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Increased fuel consumption may have been a result of the Journo's "enjoing the drive" and testing the response of the new engine, auto gear selection, and handling with the new suspension?
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yup funny about the rise in fuel comsumption. The independant test on all cars in terms of fuel consumption shows avg fuel figures on labels on the bottom left of the windscreen. BA XT shows 11.5 l/100km and Au3 shows 11.5 l/100km. looks like even stevens
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I really dont understand how they can have 'accurate' fuel consumption figures when they take these cars and thrash the buggery out of them.
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<FONT SIZE=+1><b>Quick Comparo</b></FONT>

Below are the official figures taken form the 2002 Fuel consumption guide for the superseded models (in L/100Ks):

VXII Executive Man sedan....City: 10, Hwy: 6.8
VXII Executive Auto sedan....City: 11, Hwy: 6.8
AUIII Forte Man sedan....City: 11.5, Hwy: 7
AUIII Forte & Futura Auto sedan....City: 11.5, Hwy: 6.8

<A HREF="http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/fuelguide/usingguide.html">Click here</A> to see how they tested.
<A HREF="http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/fuelguide/tables/vehicletype.html">Click here</A> for the fuel consumption guide online.
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Only a winner by a nose not a country mile? Seems the Holdenauts wanted to make the Commidorre not look as inferior in comparison with the new Falcon which makes it look practically archaic. Fuel consumption so what its 4l and the Schlomodorre is 3.8 so there is bound to be a difference between them obviously.
Anyway 0.2 does only seem to be such a minor difference anyway why are they whinging? 0.2 and a extra 30kw and a mountain of torque= bargain !
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Similar comments from the Drive segment in the Melbourne Age. The 5 journos voted 4 to 1 in favour of the Falcon but only just.

Fuel figures over 20,000 driven kms in both cars as follows:

BA Falcon XT 11.9 l / 100 km
VY Executive 9.2 l / 100 km

BA Fairmont Ghia 5.4 13.6 l / 100 km
VY Calais V8 12.9 l / 100 km

In other words the XT was nearly 30% heavier in fuel consumption and the Ghia 5 %.
Doesn't sound like a lot but the XT will use an extra 480 litres per annum (based on 18,000 km travelled) at a cost of $407 or so at the current price. This matters to the fleet operators as it will add almost 2.2 cents per km to the operating cost of the vehicle.

On a brighter note these are undoubtedly worst case scenarios and the real world difference is likely to be somewhat less.

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I would rather the raised expense in fuel with the Ford, than have the Holden off the road with warranty claims such as auto gearboxes, differentials, and oil drinking GEN3's.

At least Ford have always been in front for it's reliability and longevity.
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I think its an important point that Geoff keeps making about BA not been a failure if it does'nt outsell Commode. As long as its within 1000 i think Ford will be happy. If Commode outsells Falcon in the first full month Holden fans will be screaming failure etc which is untrue if Falcon is close enough. Fair enough it will be a huge talking point if we get thrashed or win but any calls of BA been a failure because it sold slightly less than Commode should be dealt with by moderators on these forums atleast IMO for not serving any purpose.
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Translation for 'the Falcon is better but only by a nose': "We'd love to say more but since we're ardent Holden fanatics and getting paid to boot, this is as much as we're allowed to say." How the heck can DOHC, twin VCT, coil on plug, drive by wire and a boot load more power and torque never mind a more advanced suspension system and much smoother auto be 'only a nose ahead'? And that's before you consider the crook styling of the VY, small wheels (16's on the Falcon) - I think these writers have exposed themselves for what they are. Be interesting to see what the Melbourne Herald Sun has to say tommorrow...
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