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Old 07-13-2004, 04:34   #1 (permalink)
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HFV6 Revealed !

Take a look at www.holden.com.au, and there is a small side panel on the right that details the new HFV6.

The name they have given it is AlloyTec, and there are two variants, a 175kW and 190kW, interestingly no mention of a Turbo or of fuel consumption figures. It does mention it will have continuosly variable cam phasing, 4 values per cylinder, variable intake manifold, and double over-head cams.


Also makes mention that three transmissions that will be available ..I assume with the VZ.

* 4 speed auto ( probably the existing one they have - chaeo and nasty..)
* 5 speed auto
* 6 speed manual

The 190kW should be good competition for the Falcon.
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:16   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting. I'd say the 175kw will be in the base line like executive, and acclaim, while the berlina and calais will get the 190kw motor.

As with the autos, I'd reckon the V8s would have the 5 speeder, and the 4 speed will be for V6's, maybe even only for the 175kw v6.
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:19   #3 (permalink)
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hrmm, so this engine isnt going to be as much of a threat as they were making it out to be.

I still laugh at holden saying they werent afraid of the 6T, then when the figures came out they dropped the XU6...rofl
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Old 07-13-2004, 05:21   #4 (permalink)
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I think the new 4 speed auto will be the same as the one used in the BA Falcon
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I still laugh at holden saying they werent afraid of the 6T, then when the figures came out they dropped the XU6...rofl


tee hee hee...

yeah...cant wait to start fixing those buggers...if its anything like a V6 vectra i will quit work now!
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Re: HFV6 Revealed !

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I think the new 4 speed auto will be the same as the one used in the BA Falcon
thats right.

This car will have my interest for one reason only, the HFV6 engine. I have heard so much about this engine and am wondering if it will live up to its hype. If it does, what will Ford do in return? Will they release a BA2 as a kneww jerk reaction to the "improved" holden V6.
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is it just me or does Alloytec sound really cheap and shit?????

Will these cars flog the fords with their weight advantage??
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Taken from the latest GoAuto E-News - http://www.mellor.net/mellor/enews.nsf/edition/$first

VZ Commodore will be powered
by two versions of Holden’s
all-new 3.6-litre V6

By MARTON PETTENDY

HOLDEN will replace the trusty but tired V6 that has powered Commodore
since mid-1988 with not one, but two all-new Australian-made V6s in August,
when the facelifted VZ Commodore is launched.
Dubbed Alloytec, Holden’s all-aluminium, 24-valve DOHC 3.6-litre V6 with
variable valve timing will replace the current 3.8-litre cast-iron, pushrod Ecotec
V6 in both VZ Commodore and WL Statesman after about 16 years of service.
But as part of an uncharted, two-pronged fightback against its six-cylinder
large car rivals including Falcon, Camry and Magna, Australia’s most popular
model will be available in either 175kW base or 190kW premium guise.
Holden will not say which engine will power which VZ (or WL) variant until
next month’s official launch. But in a move believed to be aimed at keeping the
new powertrain’s spiralling costs down at base level, Holden has confirmed
that only Alloytec 190 engine variants will employ a new 5L40-codenamed ZF
five-speed automatic transmission.
That means while a new six-speed manual transmission will replace the
five-speed manual currently available at Commodore Executive and S level,
these and other entry level Commodores will continue with a revised version
of General Motors’ antiquated 4L60 four-speed auto.
Holden is also yet to reveal details of the V8 engine and transmission
line-up for VZ and WL models. But it’s likely there will be little change from
the 235kW (Calais and Statesman) and 245kW (SS, SV8, CV8 and Caprice)
outputs currently offered by the 5.7-litre Gen III V8, which should also continue
with GM six-speed manual and four-speed auto transmissions.
It’s unknown, however, whether the tiered V6 power approach will extend
to the all-new VE Commodore due in 2006, or if the 5L40 five-speed auto will
be the exclusive Commodore transmission.
In a move Holden says enables it to “meet different segments of the market
and maintain the level of value Holden is renowned for, as well as provide a
premium arrangement for other models”, the Alloytec V6 will produce peak
power of 175kW at 6000rpm and a substantial 320Nm of torque from just
2800rpm. That’s 23kW and 15Nm up on the current Ecotec V6’s peaks of
152kW/305kW – as well as having a decided advantage over both Toyota’s
3.0-litre V6 and Mitsubishi’s 3.5-litre Magna V6.
But it still falls short of the 182kW and 380Nm outputs offered by Falcon’s
4.0-litre DOHC cast-iron straight six – although Holden says its 175kW
(ECE) peak converts to roughly the same power as Ford’s 182kW (DIN)
figure, which is not expected to change for this year’s cosmetically facelifted
BA II Falcon.
Meantime, the Alloytec 190 produces about 190kW at 6500rpm and a
slightly healthier 340Nm at 3200rpm, thanks to the use of a more sophisticated
variable valve timing system.
GoAuto understands Commodore’s new, locally-built
V6 is considerably more expensive per unit than the
Buick-based Ecotec V6 it replaces, but Holden insiders
claim Commodore’s resulting price increase won’t be as
dramatic as some reports have suggested.
While the reveal of Holden’s two-tiered V6 engine
and (auto) transmission strategy disproves some media
theories that Commodore would continue exclusively
with either its current four-speed auto or a locally-built
unit similar to the sequential-shift four-speed auto found
in Falcon, it could also prove to have valuable marketing
and cost-saving advantages.
Commodore’s most direct rival Falcon currently sells
at $33,860 in base XT manual form, rising to $34,660 for
the auto. VYII Commodore pricing starts at $31,970, but
becomes $34,990 with auto and air-conditioning.
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Holden rollin' out the power

By MARTON PETTENDY

HOLDEN'S all-new Global V6 finally puts
Commodore on an equal footing with the 24-
valve, overhead camshaft six-cylinder engines
available in the other locally-built large cars from
Ford, Toyota and Mitsubishi.
Banishing cast-iron, pushrods and just two
valves per cylinder to history, the new engine
also goes one better than that offered by its most
direct rival Falcon by being all-aluminium, and
also betters Magna by featuring twin overhead
camshafts.
Fuel consumption figures will not be available
until launch, but it is believed the Alloytec V6
will also bring fuel economy advantages over
both Falcon (11.5L/100km combined ADR 81/
01) and the outgoing Ecotec V6 (11.3), while
virtually matching the class-leading inline six
for peak power.
But neither the base Alloytec or the premium
Alloytec 190 version of Holden’s higher-revving
Global V6 can match the long-stroke Falcon
engine’s benchmark 380Nm torque peak.
With cylinder dimensions of 94 x 85.6mm
(Falcon: 92 x 99mm), the 60-degree, 3.564-litre
24-valve DOHC Alloytec V6 features variable
inlet valve timing to deliver 175kW at 6000rpm
(Falcon: 182kW at 5000rpm) and 320Nm of
torque from just 2800rpm (Falcon: 380Nm at
3250rpm).
That’s 14 per cent more peak power than the
outgoing Ecotec V6 and a specific output of
48.6kW per litre.
Alloytec produces 90 per cent of its torque
between 1600 and 5400rpm.
Benefitting from the addition of variable valve
timing for all four camshafts and a two-stage inlet
manifold, Alloytec 190 produces peaks of 190kW
at 6500rpm and 340Nm at 3200rpm – bettering
Falcon for power but not torque.
While Alloytec 190 produces 90 per cent of
its torque between 1570 and 5870rpm (a 59 per
cent increase over the supercharged Ecotec V6 it
replaces), it also delivers 11 per cent more power
than the SV6.
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is it just me or does Alloytec sound really cheap and shit?????

Will these cars flog the fords with their weight advantage??

Sounds a bit like the dampolator...lmao!

They may flog them for the time being if there is no major changes in the VZ, but I've heard quite a bit of talk about the VE being a heavy fecker.

But then again, the BA will be in S2 by then, so a small adjustments in power for the stock 8, the 6 and 6T would be easy enough to compete again.
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