Holden On To A Flawed Icon - Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars
The Pub For General Discussion

LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-12-02, 10:02 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
Aussie Falcon's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 2,153
Holden On To A Flawed Icon

from The Daily Telegraph 10-05-2002



Buying a used Commodore? JOE KENWRIGHT reviews the best and worst models produced over the years.

The Holden Commodore has been Australia's favourite car for longer than Ford and its fans want to remember.

Commodore's lead in the sales charts has stretched to more than four years, with the upgraded VY version due in September.

The Commodore became Holden's front-line family model in 1978, with a history of stunners, stinkers and sports stars. Its story is marred by compromises for the bottom line but it is still the longest-running nameplate Holden has had.

Which Commodore is best? The answer is surprisingly easy and can be found at any Holden showroom now. It's the latest VXII Executive, the 2002 sales champion, which is crushing the rival Falcon.

For the first time in the car's history, the VXII is a full-sized Commodore produced by the engineers, not the bean-counters.

By any standard, our Commodore is a benchmark car at the price. That's why it is also a best-seller in export countries and has been getting much attention from General Motors' executives in Detroit, US.

Holden is doing a top job, reflected in the factory shutdown last year, which continued until outstanding quality issues were addressed by suppliers and the plant.

Today's VXII facelift reflects huge gains in quality, as well as VY-model engineering advances brought forward by more than a year so the Monaro could deliver on ability as well as looks.

The VXII has rear drive, control-link independent rear suspension, exceptional crash protection, anti-skid brakes, CD sound, airbag, a 152kW V6, Getrag five-speed manual or four-speed auto -- the list goes on -- all for just over $30,000.

It is far in front of any previous Commodore. And the rest?


1994 VRII Acclaim:

A base live-axle VR Commodore Executive, which combined the VR's grippy new front end and 130kW power with the old 1978 rear end, could be a twitchy, dangerous car in the wrong hands and unacceptable, even for 1993.

Experts who showered the VR Acclaim with awards in 1993 separated the then- new Acclaim from the VR range. Its standard IRS, while flawed, transformed rear-end grip and comfort for family drivers and its combination of airbag, ABS and cruise control introduced premium features at a family car price.

It was so successful that even fleets bypassed the Executive for the Acclaim , which has since forced all local manufacturers to offer Acclaim features on today's base models.

The first Acclaims were poorly finished but by the September, 1994, VRII upgrade, Holden's new paint plant and improved quality had made a huge difference.

1999 VTII SS:

For the first time in Commodore history, the VTII got the American Corvette's state-of-the-art V8 for class-leading refinement, performance and long- distance fuel economy.

The SS was the only model that matched it in presentation, wheels, tyres, brakes and -- although the crude IRS was still there -- it was tied down better than in other models.

Its predictable and progressive power delivery also made it far safer than comparable performance cars. Outstanding value, it even humbled previous special vehicle efforts.

1988 VN:

Not a great Commodore, yet assembly improvements made it an outstanding contender in 1988 as the local industry hit a deep trough.

It was the first and only Commodore since its 1978 launch that could be taken seriously as a large family car, as Holden engineers cheaply and cleverly added a stretched body to the old floorpan and hid its small-car origins by pinching in the front styling and fitting a wider rear axle.

A Buick V6 hastily lifted from US front-drive models was adapted to rear drive -- crudely at first but progressively improved.

Against the dreadful EA Falcon, a cramped Camry and a Magna that broke engines and transmissions, the VN Commodore was at least long-lived, powerful , economical and relatively reliable once Holden's bean-counters learned cheap parts cost more in warranty claims.

1986 VL:

Holden had to import the Nissan Skyline powertrain to replace its antiquated gear. This made up more than a third of the car's build cost after the Aussie dollar was floated, leaving little for anything else.

A plan to fit a bench front seat was dropped at the last minute but six- passenger, heavy-duty springs were locked in, which Holden had to counter with soft shock absorbers, hence floaty VL handling.

Sharp looks and the best six-cylinder engine in Commodore history blinded buyers to its smaller size, appalling build quality, lack of rust protection, dull, lifeless paint and cheap plastics. But it earned enough for the VN and saved Holden.


1978 VB:

Raves about early Commodore handling ensure that its pollution engines -- heavily criticised in the Kingswood -- rarely get a mention.

In fact, these early Commodores handled too sharply for the many drivers who left the road.

As the novelty wore off, its narrow back seat and poor economy soon sent buyers to Japanese fours, which offered superior economy at a lower price, or the Falcon, which offered superior economy and extra back-seat room for the same money.

Initially, there was no wagon and -- after it cost Holden its popular Kingswood-based Statesman, one tonner and ute ranges -- the first Commodore series all but bankrupted Holden.

1984 VK:

Even worse than the VB after Holden leaned off its old engines in a futile bid to boost economy, causing them to self-destruct. Its early electronics were unreliable and costly.

1997 VT:

Looked good and drove smoothly -- but Holden only got away with the initial poor quality, brake problems and rear-suspension compromises because the EL Falcon was out of date and the AU fizzed.
Aussie Falcon is offline  
Sponsored Links
post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-12-02, 10:43 PM
Registered User
Falchoon's Avatar
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Posts: 3,544
Wasn't there a similar/same article in latest Wheels or Motor?

You know, somebody actually complimented me on my driving today. They left a little note on the windscreen. It said, 'Parking Fine.'So that was nice.

Falchoon is offline  
post #3 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-12-02, 10:46 PM
Ford Member
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 259
Interesting line there - a car produced by the engineers and not the bean counters..... Ford should take note.
Bluey is offline  
post #4 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-12-02, 10:48 PM
Don't be a sheep
ELXR8's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: out there
Posts: 186
Sounds like "paid" story, how the hell could they not put the VN amoung the stinkers, have a look at it. It's rough as guts, butt ugly and basicaly a piece of crap, but it did win Wheels COTY. I wonder how much Holden paid for that.

Holdens are made to keep dickheads out of Fords
ELXR8 is offline  
post #5 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-12-02, 11:05 PM
T5 Expert Operator
XR_Strider_GuY's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: 3Fb Skunk Works(JXR01 Dev)
Age: 36
Posts: 6,542
Beats me mate, but i've yet to find a VN in good nick. Front end was borrowed straight from the VL and even old grannys lit'em up due to bad throttle linkages and suspension.
And overall quality was very how yr goin.
:dead: :dead:
Havin said that the EA's were pretty bad as well.

Motor May 2001 Quote: "Believe it or not, there are actually a bunch of weirdos out there who reckon a six cylinder is the dux gutz. Bugger it: I'm one of them" :s5

AUII Late Ed XR6 HP T5 Venom- Full Tickford Body Kit, 17in Wheels, Herrod Bi-plane Spoiler, Momo Steer/Gear, T-Series Interior Options, Premium Stereo and a very light-tuned 4.0L I6

(FPV-Tickford Club of NSW Member and Co-Founding Member of 3FB Inc, Ford Forums Food Bandits)
XR_Strider_GuY is offline  
post #6 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-12-02, 11:15 PM
The Third Power
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 1,332
the was a recent best commodore article in a mag might have been street machine ? the winner definately wasnt VXII
strife is offline  
post #7 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-13-02, 12:02 AM
Ford Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: in darth vaders tie fighter
Age: 47
Posts: 23
Originally posted by ELXR8
Sounds like "paid" story, how the hell could they not put the VN amoung the stinkers, have a look at it. It's rough as guts, butt ugly and basicaly a piece of crap, but it did win Wheels COTY. I wonder how much Holden paid for that.

yep vn was a shiter but at least it was one rung up the quality ladder then the biggest stinker of them all the EA woohoo
VXdazza is offline  
post #8 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-13-02, 05:10 AM
CEO - The BSR Group
Mr Sparkle's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The sound of 1 cylinder bank
Posts: 4,400
Originally posted by VXdazza

yep vn was a shiter but at least it was one rung up the quality ladder then the biggest stinker of them all the EA woohoo
Hey now, dunno what ladder you're using, but I wouldn't stand on it...

The EA was not superb, no. The VN was no better. Worse in a lot of areas. Let's not put something on a pedestal that doesn't belong there!

Now powered by PCOTY WINNING SR20DET - 32% engine weight, 37% capacity, 50% cylinder count
Clicky clicky here for previous ride! I still miss her!
Mr Sparkle is offline  
post #9 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-13-02, 04:17 PM
Blue Blooded Ford Man
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Riverina, NSW. Falcon country
Age: 37
Posts: 1,619
My brother had a EA Fairmont, and it was reliable, went pretty hard, had a solid body. Not perfect sure, but VNs, were so bad.
How about the paint quality?

Marcos Ambrose - 2003 V8 Supercar CHAMPION
This could be the start of something big
KenOath is offline  
post #10 of 24 (permalink) Old 05-13-02, 06:03 PM
Ford Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: in darth vaders tie fighter
Age: 47
Posts: 23
what car is painted properly these days

hey ken oath my uncles moto is
the cats in the trap and the traps in 45g drum mmmeewwwblubblubblubblub
VXdazza is offline  
Sponsored Links

  Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars > Fordforums Community > The Pub
Gear in this thread - Powered by O'Reilly Auto Parts

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
qualifying FordLover Ford Racing Across the Globe 49 10-12-03 12:10 AM
Practice 3 Friday results IRPACAUS Ford Racing Across the Globe 4 10-09-03 06:29 PM
V8 Supercars Practice 1 & 2 JEM Ford Racing Across the Globe 1 04-26-02 09:54 PM
Flawed Holden thinking? HO HO HO! The Pub 5 03-09-02 06:37 PM
Bathurst updates Donut King The Pub 62 10-05-01 05:26 AM

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome