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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 08-15-02, 09:29 PM Thread Starter
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biggrin The Holden Marketing Machine

I am in pain here, waiting to see what the Holden Marketing Machine(tm) gives us with the release of the VY.

Recent highlights have included the release of "Control Link" IRS, which after a visit to the Sydney Motor Show last year, I was led to believe was the Second Coming of chassis development. There it was - a complete IRS assembly in a glass case, all chromed and shiny, with the Control Link(tm) in bright "HSV Red" paint! Oh how I longed to slash my wrists when I found out what it really was!!

It can't be too long now... the wait is almost killing me... I'd almost pay money to hear some of their next masterpieces.. I'm particularly holding out to hear their descriptions on the exterior styling!

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The sad fact is that a lot of people believe it.

But you have to give them credit Holdens marketing people do a fantastic job.
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Hehe I like it how Wheels called the 'control link':

"Inelegant, band-aid engineering"

Maybe we need to develop a deciphering system for the general public so they can get the truth!

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Hehe I like it how Wheels called the 'control link':

"Inelegant, band-aid engineering"

Maybe we need to develop a deciphering system for the general public so they can get the truth!
LOL. we could approach google language services to translate the web page automatically from bs to truth.:s3 :s3
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I think you will be more sickened by what they are displaying at the SMS this year.....the "NEW" FJ ute , the SSR chev ute rebadged by holden (my brothers mate works in the gmh prototype studio)

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Some of the crap we've seen lately shows just how heavily the Commodore relies on Falcon to get Holden off their butts and bring on real technological progress. But when the BA increases Falcon sales, Holden will no longer be able to get away with it.

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At least Ford have a sense of humour about it:

From: http://www.newfalcon.com.au/quiz/
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What is the name of the New Falcon's suspension:
Control Blade IRS
Blade Runner IRS
Control Freak IRS
Control Edge IRS
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oh yeah, from the people that brought you the camira, and copied their rear suspension design straight from a calibra, added another dodgy link to try and stop them killing the insides of their rear tyres, and dared to call it 'multilink' therefore stopping ford from using this term to correctly describe their rear suspension design, and still have an all cast iron OHV 3.8l V6 as their base model....WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!?!?!?!

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Rollin, sadly the story of the VT/VX rear suspension is even worse than that. My understanding is this:

In 1990, Holden introduced its semi-trailing arm IRS on the Statesman, and by the VR it was standard or available on most models. However, this system was the same as that used on Opels since the late '70s, and it technically could have been fitted to the VB. Hardly state of the art.

The '97 VT was released with the same rear suspension as above. This was a much heavier car, and explained the sagging suspension and excessive rear tyre wear issues. The VT Commodore was based on the '94 Opel Omega, which is a significantly smaller car, yet this had the "Control Link" update since day one. Holden patted themselves on the back for introducing Control Link with the VX II, yet it was a feature that was literally stripped from the original VT. Even the holes to bolt in the extra links are fitted to all VTs.

I am a Holden fan, but I truly despite that attitude.

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Jack, all the companies have designed their cars about 5 yrs ahead, and they pre-plan most mid-model updates, such as 10 extra kw's, you can't single out one company on that, they all do it.
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