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Old 01-08-2003, 00:54   #1 (permalink)
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well a while ago i sent an email to Tony McGrady (as did a lot of people) which consisted of the following quoted text - alas i cannot claim that i was the author of this email, i cant even remember the site i got it off - it might even have been from here.

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To whom it may concern,

I shouldn’t be into such an unwholesome lifestyle and hobby such as cars. Working my guts out all week to earn money to pour into a car, spending all weekend working on it, getting it looking and going just the way I want it.

I shouldn’t be spending my weekends at show n shines that support many charities, and spending Saturday evenings simply out driving and enjoying my pride and joy. Hoons are just a burden on society!!

So as of now, thanks to media outlets such as the Bulletin, I have learnt from the error of my ways. The FOR SALE sign is going on the EB Falcon XR6, and my wholesome, 'society approved' new lifestyle begins this weekend.

Come Saturday night I'm off to the most seediest, dirtiest nightclub in town, and I'm gonna get stuck into the cheapest goon they have and pop a heap of pills. Then i'll pick up some scrungy looking skank, and give her a quick one in the nightclub dunny. In nine months time she'll squeeze out a kid, and because she cant even remember what any of the 8 or 9 blokes she put out for that night looked like, let alone their names, the kid will be financially raised by the government.

Then I’m gonna drunkenly stumble up the road, kicking in shop windows and abusing passers-by until I find a nice dark alley where i can go and shove a needle up my arm and inject enough heroin to blow my big boof head clean off my shoulders. I'll pass out, and be woken by the nice, government funded Ambos. Then I’ll stumble off, and in desperate need for money to go and buy another hit I'll go and rob your grandmothers place, scaring the poor dear so much she is frightened to sleep at night.

Then because now I'm a useless junkie, I got the sack from work and now I get the government dole payments, and I've also got to go to my weekly, government funded Detox program that doesn’t work anyway! And because I don’t have a car any more, I might just flog yours to drive to the Detox centre. And don’t get forget I'll have a whole bottle of scotch under my belt too..... Nothing wrong with drink driving!!

Finally, I'll catch some deadly infectious disease from sharing needles. Then the government can pay for all the medication to let me live a bit longer. While I’m at it, I might just share it around with a few other junkies, and the nice girl 'that had a future' that lives next door who was convinced I was nice, straight bloke. Its ok but, the government can pay for her medication too.

And when I cark it I will have far more respect from the community than what I ever did as a hard working car enthusiast. Media outlets will run stories about how our youth are troubled and crying out for help, blah blah blah.

And at least I wont be a burden on society like those scum hoons!!!!

Thank you for taking the time to read this E-mail, I just thought I would let you know that due to the Excellent new laws on Speeding and 'Hooning' I have decided to become a valuable member of society, just like most other people my age - no more antisocial 'Hooning' for me, it will only be sex, drugs and alcohol from now on.

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this is the reply i got back today:

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Dear Daniel

I refer to your email of 14 November 2002 concerning the introduction of the Beattie Government’s anti-‘hooning’ laws.

From the outset, let me assure you that the legislation is not designed to victimise any person within our community, but will only target those persons who persist in flouting the law by driving in a dangerous or disruptive manner.

As you know, the Beattie Government is concerned about illegal motoring activities and ‘hoonish’ behaviour and has responded to wide community concern about these issues. While other laws allow for a range of actions to be taken against offenders involved in these types of activities, the available penalties have been insufficient to curb this behaviour.

The Government has therefore taken a stand against these dangerous activities that place the safety of other road users at risk, as well as the irresponsible actions of motorists who disrupt the lives of other people through their excessive noise.

I spent a number of months developing these tough but balanced laws and during this time input was sought from a range of bodies including the RACQ, the Law Society, the Council for Civil Liberties and the State Youth Advisory Council. The problem was also discussed with members of the public and parliamentarians both in Queensland and other states. All of these views have helped to shape the Beattie Government’s legislative response to this problem.

In conclusion, I am sure you will agree there is no plausible excuse for drivers who demonstrate a disregard for the traffic laws and the safety of other road users, not to mention their own safety and that of their passengers, by taking part in ‘hooning’ activities. I am confident the new laws will address community concerns, without unfairly targeting any section of the community.

I trust this information is of assistance.

Yours sincerely



TONY McGRADY
Minister for Police and Corrective Services
and Minister Assisting the Premier on the
Carpentaria Minerals Province

Ref: 1123 F24 MN
P/02/05999
what do you reckon? i think its a load of crap....
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Old 01-08-2003, 01:34   #2 (permalink)
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hhhmmm...sounds to me like he hasnt answered your question at all. i cant be 100% sure though, as i fell asleep half way through. but pollies do that.

to be honest, it looks like a standard letter he had drawn up and just changes the name and address for each one.

hate to be cynical, but did you really expect better? i suppose at least you got a reply.
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What do you want him to say?

***In conclusion, I am sure you will agree there is no plausible excuse for drivers who demonstrate a disregard for the traffic laws and the safety of other road users, not to mention their own safety and that of their passengers, by taking part in ‘hooning’ activities.***

He is right.

Many of us here have a lifestyle and hobby that revolves around our cars. I too, work my guts out all week to earn money to pour into a car, spending all weekend working on it, getting it looking and going just the way I want it. Then spend my weekends at show n shines that support many charities, and spending Saturday evenings simply out driving and enjoying my pride and joy.

We have had anti hooning laws for years in NSW and it has never dampened my joy for driving my car.

If you hoon you'll get caught. If you are an enthusiast then you'll be fine.

I'm not having go at you, but I think you are worried over nothing.
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notice they didnt consult anyone like the Australian Street Machine Federation or the Australian Street Rod Federation, only the RACQ. have you read a racq magazine lately?? full of old farts talikng about their camping holidays or stories about fuel economy of camry`s and magna`s. BIG DEAL. looks like they talk to the wrong people.
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Old 01-08-2003, 04:09   #5 (permalink)
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They are definately talking to the wrong people. They certainly aren't open with the public when they do talk to people.

Thing is you can be a law abiding citizen and then get suddenly caught up in it. If you driving your smick XR6 downtown somewhere and happen to get caught up in a hoon bust, most likely your car will be taken as well, or atleast incorrectly defected or fined. Its happend.

If you think the RACQ is bad, in the most recent NRMA mag, they have people writting in saying people should souly rely on parking sensors to tell them if there is a kid behind them when reversing, and when passing flash highbeams or other technically illegal and silly actions. Or how everyone walks too fast these days and they should introduce speed cameras for pathways.

Seems odd for example that they are cracking down on say people who modify their car with a legal exaust or enjoying some legal spirtited driving, mean while if you vist any local court you can sit through hours of various Vandals, theives and people with violent behavior (repeat offenders) walk out with new bonds or no punishment what so ever.

Seems like a criminal waste of police and legal resources.
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If you hoon you'll get caught. If you are an enthusiast then you'll be fine.

I'm not having go at you, but I think you are worried over nothing.
The big problem is the wording. Things that used to be covered by "unnecessary noise by manner of operation" are now "hooning". Would you like your car confiscated for squeeling a wheel at an intersection ( and I don't mean ala Gary Myers) or a few too many revs through the gears, even if under the speed limit? Some people need to pull their head in, granted, but ultra-tough roadworthys every year would cull a lot of the real culprits. How about "speed trialling". If you get caught going for a blat in the countryside you used to risk getting caught, points, fine, etc, for over the limit. Now it can be called speed trialling, and your car is gone. (only people who have NEVER exceeded the posted limit by more than 3% need reply in the negative to this one, including overtaking, as is the law. LOL

Pollies pick on speed because it is easily quantifyable, (you were doing Xkm/h) so there can be no grey area in the ruling, it is easy to police, unlike other more dangerous road habits, and, of course, it pays the bills. Then all you do is call everything else you don't like hooning, and jobs done.
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i agree jamie, that if we drive in a reponsible manner then we shouldnt be bothered by the police.

however, what the email was trying to bring into focus was the difference between what the cops have such a huge problem with and what society as a whole SHOULD have a problem with - is a little bit of wheelspin when leaving a carpark such a big problem when you compare it against all the things mentioned in the above email?

like, at broadwater car park (where 'hoons' gather on fri and sat nights) there are usually about 2 or 3 cop cars patroling the carpark and another cop on a bike with a radar gun hidden somewhere busting people with modified cars. sure, once a night maybe someone might do a little like 2 second burnout, but really there is no excese for that many cops.

once a guy in a 200sx got a little wheelspin leaving the carpark (not even enough to get smoke) and the cops tore out of there so fast (through about 50 car spaces worth of cars and people walking and crossing the carpark!!!!!!) that i was sure they were going to hit somebody!

meanwhile about 1.5ks away (caville ave) there are lots of nightclubs, and it is common for drunk people to start big fights and really flog the crap out of each other in full view of the public and small children etc, caville avenue finishes pretty much on the beach, and lots and lots of people go down onto the beach for a quick hit before they go clubbing, leaving their needles on the sand for small kids to find the next day.

i think they usually have 2 officers patrolling the entire street.

tell me: is there overkill somewhere there or what? possibly misuse of police recources? you cant get money out of a drunk, but its all to easy to take someones car for chirping second gear...and in the process giving the premier some figures: "we confiscated X number of cars this year look at all the good we are doing" meanwhile you read in the papers "toddler pricked by needle on beach" i think reducing the rick of kids getting aids or another bad disease from a discarded needle from a lowlife scum druggo should take priority over confiscating peoples cars for a little bit of wheelspin!
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Good call Rollin. Is it election year over there? It sure sounds like it. Sounds like you need to get a few letters like those published in some newspapers (the sort of paper the typical Voter will buy), sit back, and watch the letters roll in. With any luck, the polly will roll over, like the good dog he is.

It disgusts me to think that coppers dont give a stuff about real safety. Well, they might, but those higher up surely dont. Just keeping up appearances, which means stickering, confiscating, fining and harassing enthusiasts and hoons alike (impossible to tell apart from a glance, which is what the copper will base his value judgement upon).

This Beattie guy sounds like an ass.
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No one will care. Live with it.

Just have a look at what you guys are inferring - that if Hoon laws force you off the road you'll go to bars, get drunk, bash peoples heads in and have sex with a pro? Your knocking yourselves, sound immature and your creating steriotypes
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no we are comparing ourselves to other people in our age group - instead of spending all our money on our cars and doing the occasional skid, we could be out spending it all on drugs and alcohol, as many many people i know do. most of them get so pissed on the weekends that they dont even remember what they did. which is the lesser evil?

in order to support my hobby (modifying cars) i dont drink, take drugs or smoke, i hardly go out at all, and i feel that instead of being a drunken lout and getting into fights and pawing at anything with breasts in a nightclub, i should be able to go for a drive and have a nice chat with some other like-minded people without the cops coming down on us like we are raving lunatics attempting to tear the moral fabric of our society, and booking us for the stupidest things.
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