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Old 11-27-2001, 18:44   #1 (permalink)
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How about power upgrade for the AUII Fairmont?

Now there is a 250kw T3, 250kw falcon ute, 220kw XR8, how about some more power for the Fairmont too? 175kw is not a lot and only single kw's more than the VCT. Hope this will be the next announcement, to bring the Fairmont up to match the Calais.
A 200/220kw Fairmont would sell well!! It would offer performance and climate air etc in a bloody good package, and get rid of the surplus motors extra fast.
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Old 11-27-2001, 18:58   #2 (permalink)
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I can't see why the stock V8 isn't 200kw. It still leaves the XR8 with a 20kw advantage and gives you room to move when the 5.4 comes out.

50kw is alot of power and thats what the Fairmonts and Ghias are giving away to their Holden counterparts.
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50 kw????????????? Shyte, I nver realised the gap was that big. But if they offered the 200kw motor, that would mean they would have to be hand built by Tickford, wouldn't it? Ford has probably done the sums and realised it may not be worth it.
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Holden will even sell the lowest base model at 225kw.

Wish it could work on the other side of the fence as well.
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Old 11-27-2001, 19:08   #5 (permalink)
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Yep, but that is 225 kw out of the box! I would suggest that when AV is released, the Fairmonts will get a very powerful base V8 which will require no fettling at all. It will be cost effective then.
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Old 11-27-2001, 19:24   #6 (permalink)
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50 kw????????????? Shyte, I nver realised the gap was that big. But if they offered the 200kw motor, that would mean they would have to be hand built by Tickford, wouldn't it? Ford has probably done the sums and realised it may not be worth it.
Thats where the problem lies. The LS1 is bassically 225kw out of the box where the Windsor is 175. Tickford then tunes it to many different specs, however to get beyond 175 it requires them all to have some sort of tickford treatment.

Compare this to the Holden situation, the only ones that has anything done to them are the HSV's. Shows you how much more work Tickford does to the cars and also where the difference lies between the SS and XR8.

Where the SS is really nothing more than base model commodores with a few items from the parts bin. Eg anyone can order a Commodore Exc V8 with FE2, LSD, Powerwindows, passenger air bags etc to make it perform exactly like an SS. The only difference being that it doesn't get the body kit (however can order a Holden By Design kit).

On the other hand the XR8 is totally different from the the base model. Not only do you get increased spec but the motor spends alot of time at the Tickford factory, the suspension setup can not be order onto a forte (unlike FE2). Not to mention that the front end looks nothing like a base model with a tacked on body kit (sorry commodore).

In other words XR8's almost have more re-enginering than what happens with a HSV Clubsport. (hmm wonder which motor is easiest to get the power out off) Then think about the fact that the T-series has even more work done on it.

Really when you look at it that way makes the current XR8 seem a bargain compared to the SS and the T3 an even bigger bargain compared to the HSV's.
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Old 11-27-2001, 19:32   #7 (permalink)
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Futher to what I was saying in my last post I came up with something interesting as a cheap quick way of looking at the increased performance by Tickford and HSV. You take the engine output that has been created and put that over the base engine figure.

In Order from lowest to highest

VX SS - 225/225 = 100 %
VX Clubsport - 255/225 = 113%
AUIII XR8 - 220/175 = 126%
VX GTS - 300/225 = 133%
AUIII T3 - 250/175 = 143%

So yes I do believe the T3 and the XR8 are bargains!:s6:
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