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Old 06-18-2001, 23:53   #1 (permalink)
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Inline 4.0L 6 Petition

Hi All,

Yeah was thinking about this for a few days, but i've decided to bite the bullet. Since a number of ford executives are reading this forum, i'd like to start a vote for the future of the IL6 to the ford forum members.
I am very concearned that ford will replace the IL6 with a V6. My reasons are as follows,

engine has loads of potential aka skyline
good torgue characteristics for the aussie environment 357Nm+
better top end power
smoother than a v6
all the best rear drive six's in the world are straight 6's.
v6 is primarily used for front wheel drive only for compactness.
proven reliability ask 9 outta 10 taxi's.

The main thing though is i reckon ford will be percieved as a market looser bowing out to a similar holden design of a V6 engine. The above statements are all in my opinion, therefore i'd like to know what others think, so here is the scenario.

1. Keep the current IL6 and develop it further.
2. Replace with a V6.

My vote: 1.

My saying for this scenario, "If it ain't broke don't fix it."
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Old 06-19-2001, 00:09   #2 (permalink)
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My vote - I6.

Reality - This decision was made many moons ago... :(
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Old 06-19-2001, 00:16   #3 (permalink)
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I like the I6, I think it needs to be redeveloped. Its too old.

If we where to keep the I6, it needs to be redeveloped, as they did with the EA.

But, I welcome the V6, It seems to be a more modern approach. Inline 6 engines are an OLD design. As long as the V6 is as smoother than the I6 and has more power. and BETTER fuel consumption than than darned I6, then BRING IT ON BABY :)

The current I6 is a very coarse and rough sounding engine. The V6 would need to be smoother sounding.

ALSO, the I6 Idles rough.
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Ahh no, so theres no way that the decision can be reversed "sob, sob" :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Ahh well keep this petition for good measure.
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Old 06-19-2001, 00:23   #5 (permalink)
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I'd vote to keep ye olde faithful but I realise that this isn't going to happen.

As a side comment Does anyone know of any hot naturally aspirated Falcon sixes if so can they point me to articles about them DK's head is getting full of plans (well i gotta do something to pass the time that would have otherwise been spent doing an exam but due to circumstances beyond my control I slept thru the aforementioned exam, D'OH!!!! :fmad::fmad::fmad: )
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I'd have to vote for the I6 anyday......
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I6 is inherently a better configuration than a V6. The two main versions of V6 have conflicting problems. V6 90deg has balance issues, V6 60deg has firing interval issues. I6 is best case for both scenarios and has high order harmonics (natural freq? gee it's been a few years).

Anyhow, I agree I6 is the go. But the problem is the current I6 does not have the ideal bore-stroke-rod-crank relationships. These are the reasons it is not at its best revving out.

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The cost of redesigning an engine to meet future emissions and fuel consumption levels may mean we are in reality shopping for an engine from the world Ford stable. That means V6s are the majority! In fact, are there I6s available other than from PAG cars?
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I hope that if/when the V6 arrives it is built in australia.

Come on ford, You cant close down the geelong plant!!!
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Gimme the inline 6.....that would be sweet as!
And all shouldn't be discarded only because of past decisions!
I still have faith that FoMoCo will evaluate some of their past decisions and act upon them if they see a business case worth pursuing.....hey, just look at the Focus. :D
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Old 06-19-2001, 01:33   #10 (permalink)
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I am for the I6. I am looking forward to see how its development as a DOHC turns out.

BMW recently built a new plant I think to produce I6 motors, and their I6 motor in the BMW M3 is one that leaves any other six for dead I think.........

As for what FoMoCo does, that will all come down to cost. Last I heard the I6 was around 2k each, where to ship in the modular V6 from the states would cost an extra 1k. So in regards to $, the I6 is better.

Also alot of money has been spent in upgrades...........but all the contracts on the I6 are only current to 2006.........Alot of Ford's infrastructure is old, and needs upgrading and replacing to see another generation of motors from Geelong. As the cost factor will probaly be too high, I cannot see its future extending past 2006.

I am not too sure on which motor is better in regard to techical stuff. But unless one is pushed for room I cannot see any advantage of a V6........not as though we are trying to make a front wheel drive car.

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oh, in case you missed one of my past wayward comments I vote for the Inline 6!
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