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So the fact is sheds its horns annually means that it would regrow the same fantastic display next year does it not? Or do they never grow again?
They grow again. It is never the same display. it could be aa 2 pointer next year.
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Regardless its a moot point as the animal is dead, and next year will never mean a thing to it or us. And the entire justification for that is that someone wanted their photo taken next to it dead on the ground, rather than watching it move in freedom
And it is their right to do that as it is your right to complain about it.
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Lunatic, there are people who think you shouldnt kill any animals at all. I'm not one of them. But please, do not try and tell me there is any justifiable reason for that animal to be dead other than a humans whim to go hunting. Sad but true.
And it is the whims of humans to kill animals now just so they dont have to eat other foods that they may not like. That is nothing more than being selfish as you are portraying the hunter to be.
Dont get me wrong I am not one of those that does not eat meat or advocates against it. My point is that you should not be attacking someone just because they view that killing an animal is right in their eyes and not in yours, simply because you think that it is better served for everyone to view.
The Govt sanctions huntings of this nature. It is called controlling the population, which would get out of control if not kept at reasonable levels. Thus bringing on disease, further death, expansion into the areas they never populated to begin with and never would have. It goes on and on.
Again this is not to argue with you. I am just stating what seems to be missed here. Yes, I applaud you that you think it is inhuman and that is your opinion, but stating that it would be better off living is just blindly speaking without knowing. Many factors go into this that you and I both dont know. Was this one of many that the govt set aside to be terminated, because of population control? Maybe and maybe not and we will not know unless the hunter is on here stating what the deal was.
Its Ironic that a man can kill another man and people dont seem to care, but yet when a man kills an animal everyone comes out of the woodwork to state how the animal should not have died or how the animal was innocent.
I see the main point that is always being borked as mans intent. We cant speak for the animal, but we can speak for man.
And this really needs to be pointed out here. "And it is their right to do that as it is your right to complain about it." It's my right to sleep with children under the age of 10 in some pacific nations. That hardly makes it morally RIGHT, and trying to mount the argument that someone elses morals apply to me only when I chose so, is the weakest of all moral arguments.
This situation has nothing to do with culling over populated animal populations, threatening or dangerous behaviour, control of disease or the saving of another species being encroached upon by the moose. Some guy with a gun saw a large moose with sensational antlers, and said bugger it, I'm going to kill that bugger and take a photo standing next to it. My mates down the pub will really appreaciate that. Thats the bottom line.
Either way, the moose is dead, the guy will live on, and no real harm done. Just dont ask me to applaud such wasteful and arrogant behaviour. No brownie points from my side of the ring I'm afraid.
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I see the main point that is always being borked as mans intent. We cant speak for the animal, but we can speak for man.
Then stand up for every man that has been killed immorally as you seem to want to do with this animal.
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And this really needs to be pointed out here. "And it is their right to do that as it is your right to complain about it." It's my right to sleep with children under the age of 10 in some pacific nations. That hardly makes it morally RIGHT, and trying to mount the argument that someone elses morals apply to me only when I chose so, is the weakest of all moral arguments.
This is not an argument about morals, but you want to drag it into being thus. Sorry to burst your little bubble but you can not compare hunting to sticking your little wiener into a kid. Unless of course you are that morally corrupt, but that I can not tell by your simple words on a screen.
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This situation has nothing to do with culling over populated animal populations, threatening or dangerous behaviour, control of disease or the saving of another species being encroached upon by the moose. Some guy with a gun saw a large moose with sensational antlers, and said bugger it, I'm going to kill that bugger and take a photo standing next to it. My mates down the pub will really appreaciate that. Thats the bottom line.
Really? How do you know? Oddly that area that is described in the post is an area that has population control measures in place.
SO now you can read minds? And this from a picture. Wow. You are better than I thought.
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Either way, the moose is dead, the guy will live on, and no real harm done. Just dont ask me to applaud such wasteful and arrogant behaviour. No brownie points from my side of the ring I'm afraid.
Well good for you, but attacking everyone else that disagrees with your interpretations of what you view everyones morals should be is nothing more than pathetic at best. As I have said you are entitled to that opinion, but assuming things that you do not know to base that opinion on and speaking about it only makes you look silly. Happy that you feel it is wasteful and arrogant, yet you dont know anything about the situation. Assumption is a good thing when you are right, but when you are wrong it will bite you in the ass.
FACT: The US and State Govt regulates the population of Moose, Caribou, beaver, rams and other wildlife in that area.
FACT: The State Govt puts a limit on the minimum size, sex and total amount of each that can be hunted. If that number is not reached by the end of the season then the State goes in and terminates the remaining amounts.
FACT: The hunter did this (by date provided) in the window frame that it is allowed by the State.
Ohh BTW. People can see your car habit as wasteful and arrogant behaviour too. I guess they are morally right and you are not?
1. Huge animal would look good on a wall......if you can find a wall large enough.
2. Why all the petty bickering over someones right to hunt under govt approval to help in population control?
I understand "tree huggers" but sheesh....I have to say some people need to just let it go. Its as bad as PETA telling former President Carter to not fish because it is not becoming of a man who wont a nobel prize. Or tossing red ink on those that wear fur.
Yeah why not kill the thing with your bare hands if ya wanna be a man? No? too scared? No you will die? Shooting is for the weak so they can feel strong inside!
I never understood 'hunting.' Wow, big man, you killed something with a gun. Try taking that moose on without a gun..
Must be a yank thing..
He, he, he, he..........
The fact of the matter is, neither 'side' will agree with the other.
Dispite our 'close' relationship, Australia and the United States are both in two very different worlds, on many levels. This is not to say that either of us is right or wrong.
Hunting is not in the culture of Australia, therefore we have not been conditioned to justify this sort of 'sport'. Its not in our nature, nor is it applauded or accepted by our society in general.
"Try taking that moose on without a gun", we over here may attempt this (or not at all), but again, the US has an incredible firearm culture, and c'mon, you cant argue that point. I am not judging your country for this fact, again entirely your choice, I myself love hanndgun shooting down at the pistol range.
Being the one who originally posted this, I would like to extend my apologies to anyone who was upset by this.
Being a US citizen, and having never travelled to any countries other than Mexico and Canada, I cannot speak intelligently about Australia, Australian culture, Australian wildlife or their habitat. But here in North America, there have been many problems related to large animals which are growing to dangerous population levels and wandering away from their natural habitats due to overcrowding.
These large animals cause millions of dollars in property damage each year, through various means, including damaging crops and causing auto accidents on our highways. While crop damage doesn't sound like a big deal, it IS a major problem.
When these large animals decide to cross a highway, they obviously don't know to "look both ways first" and are sometimes hit by vehicles. When these accidents occur, the property damage can range from minor, to total wrecks, and in some cases, human fatalities, but almost always result in the death of the animal that was hit.
The authorities here in the US and Canada study, track and count various species of wild animals. They try to maintain a healthy population of any given species by licensing hunters and they issue a limited quantity of 'tags' to keep the populations under control. These 'tags' are issued only at certain times of the year and come with various stipulations, usually concerning size and gender. These stipulations vary from one species to the next, and are based solely upon the findings of the authorities' studies.
These studies have found that certain animals, such as the moose pictured here, is nearing the end of it's life cycle. A bull moose of this magnitude will take a greater share of 'territory' and fight off hundreds of younger bulls, while providing haven for, and breeding with hundreds of females. The natural habitat then becomes 'crowded', until the death of a bull of this age occurs.
Selective hunting reduces both the excess population, and terminates the territorial superiors, that cause overcrowding, thereby allowing the population to remain safely within their habitat.
Furthermore, in some cases, animals of this age can be overcome by certain natural diseases that can be passed along to offspring, and thereby endangering the entire species, which could ultimately result in extinction of that species, but not before contaminating the entire genetic structure.
In North America, some species reproduce quickly and could quite possibly overrun the entire land mass. While this may not be a problem in Australia, it is a big problem in North America, and the alternative to selective hunting is only for us humans to pack our bags and move to the moon.
Few hunters have the money and/or time to hunt for species such as moose, while more hunters can hunt smaller game such as deer. Amazingly enough, there are far more deer than moose, and far more tags issued for deer than moose. Everything is in proportion.....balance.
On a personal note, I hunt for food. If I aquire a trophy in the process, then it's a double bonus for me, but in 30+ years of hunting, I have very few trophies. I usually come home with enough food for my family until the next season. Sometimes I'm not so lucky and run short. I know several hunters who hunt only for the sport of it, not neccessarily trophies, but for food, and they all give their harvested meats to me and/or someone else in need of food. Nothing is ever wasted.
Of all the people I know who hunt, myself included, we don't go off into the brush to shoot the first thing that moves. We are selective and we sometimes stand in awe, admiring the natural magnificence of the animals that share our earth, and let them pass. There are plenty of websites that display photos of these magnificent animals living in their natural habitat, and not being hunted. I frequently view those websites as well, and I urge everyone to do the same.
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Am definitely a meat eater... and have many friends that do hunt and that do have their meat processed the venison steaks they BBQ are magnificent.
But they are pretty honest at least, they hunt because they enjoy it and they enjoy the challenge of tracking, avoiding, and finally taking their shot. And I can see that that would be a genuine intellectual and physical challenge in itself.
But please don't try to dress hunting up as a way of "communing with nature"...You can hardly be communing with nature if you are tracking an animal in it's natural environment, looking upon it, recognising that it is a truly magnificent creature when your response is "wow that things is absolutely incredible...let's kill it".
Hunting is what it is, and if the meat is put to good use (on a BBQ and in my stomache preferably) I can accept it for what it is.
By the way, I recommend a wheat beer with venison. Very nice indeed!!
Have you ever been hunting? If not, don't talk about thinkgs you have no idea about. It's not "wow, neat...let's kill it!" Simply reading your response shows me that you have absolutely NO IDEA what hunting is about.
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Yeah why not kill the thing with your bare hands if ya wanna be a man? No? too scared? No you will die? Shooting is for the weak so they can feel strong inside!
Sure, I'll go at a moose with a knife, a spear, and a tomahawk. As I said before, you have absolutely no idea what hunting is about.
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