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Old 08-30-2004, 18:09   #1 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,

Well about 2months ago one of my best mates brought himself a second hand Holden VU SS Gen III Ute for $31000. Mind you the loan ended up being $41000 with interest over 5 years. Anyway he has done 2000km in it and it is consuming 1litre of oil for every 1000km. He took it back to Holden yesterday and asked for a new engine as he has 1month factory warranty left. They told him the best they could do was give him a free oil change and tell him to keep an eye on it. The engine has done 38000km and he is the 3rd owner. He got new oil in it but it is already disappearing, the piston slap is really loud now and sounds like someone is banging the side of the block with a tac hammer on cold morning starts. Also the mechanic he took it too said he was about the 100th person to come through the door with this problem and he said it will only get worse before it gets better.

The moral of this story is don't buy Holdens with the aluminium 5.7l Gen III engines and Fords Rule.

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Old 08-30-2004, 18:17   #2 (permalink)
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Re: My Mates Gen III SS ute is a bucket of crap!

Im waiting for People to start saying that about these new Alloytech motors they are about to bring out. One Word... Corrosion
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Re: My Mates Gen III SS ute is a bucket of crap!

While it's not a good thing, Fords are not immune to their problems either. Where Gen III owners have oil consumption to worry about, E Series owners have headgaskets to worry about too - an equally annoying (and expensive) problem.

So whilst im not sticking up for Holdens here, i will say that people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. Doesnt matter what badge a car has on it, it is still always susceptible to screwing up!
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Old 08-30-2004, 19:32   #4 (permalink)
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Re: My Mates Gen III SS ute is a bucket of crap!

Man, if your mate was me, i'd be shattrered.. I can't imagine what i'd be like if my XR8 started to use oil or something.. I'd be a mess.

While heasgaskets are annoying b2tf, piston slap and oil consumption is way ahead of it in terms of severity. Piston slap means your bores are screwed, as the heat has warped them. That is alot more expensive (replace an engine) than doing a headgasket, which is basically a home job anyway, if you have the right tools.

I feel sorry for this bugger, let us know what the outcome is..

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Re: My Mates Gen III SS ute is a bucket of crap!

Yeah, the poor bloke. But this has been documented ever since those ungodly engines started coming out in the VT sII...

As for the problems encountered by a Falcon, fair enough everyone knows the head gaskets are a time bomb - surely thats 10000x easier to fix than internal engine damage. From what i hear, the usual fix for the GenIII is to ship another one out from the US. No wonder GMH are keen on letting people's warranty expire before doing this.

But what about a Ford V8? Put your hand up if ya Windsor or Boss has been replaced due to poor manufacturing tolerances or consumes 1L oil per 1000km.
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Im waiting for People to start saying that about these new Alloytech motors they are about to bring out. One Word... Corrosion
Fully Alloy engines is not a new thing.

Range rovers had full alloy V8 engines years ago and alot of those are still getting around.

Ford has also had alloy heads for quite some time as well.
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Piston slap means your bores are screwed, as the heat has warped them.
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err no it doesnt. Piston slap on cold starts can be common in alot of motors, especially with forged pistons. Just depends on what piston to bore clearence you are using. Run a high clearance and you will often get piston slap on cold startups.
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It is well known that GenIII V8s use oil, are noisy and are generally pieces of junk. I have had a made who needed a full rebuild after 20000Km.
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Re: My Mates Gen III SS ute is a bucket of crap!

That problem is rectified now though isnt it? Arent there a lot of LS1's running 12's without the engines being opened up?
I wouldnt say that is crap.
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It is well known that GenIII V8s use oil, are noisy and are generally pieces of junk. I have had a made who needed a full rebuild after 20000Km.
Yeah I'd agree with numerous GenIII owners with engines chewing to much oil but i wouldnt quite call them pieces of junk.

I've got a mate at work who has a VY genIII and his done over 40,000 km and had no oil consumption problems and his also done a 13.5sec quarter with an unopened engine..... and thats with missin 3rd gear.
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