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Old 12-21-2004, 02:31   #1 (permalink)
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My turn to bleat and winge

Here we go
I know quoting power figures is an easy way of telling the performance of an engine, yet I have never come across a measurment that on its own tells so little about an engine.
EG my 289 pulled 470hp on the dyno - some might say thats a good figure. yet even if I tell you that it did it at 6800rpm you will never have a clue as to weather it pulled well from 3000rpm. People always ask me how much power I have and I ussually tell them also that it produces 300ft-bl of torque from 3000rpm onwards till the redline. I tell them that it will easly flick the back end around coming out of a low speed corner in 3rd gear.

My bleat is that it seems boyracerish and almost childish (my dads bigger than your dad - yeah well my dad is a fireman!). OK if you don't know then well thats alright. but why the big concern as to what HP its making when it might only have a narrow power band. How many times Have I put my car on variious dynos and got any where from (roughly calculated) 180 - 530bhp at the fly wheel with the same engine - nothing changed. (the figure I have above is what the engine achieved before being fitted to the car and is also a rough average of all the other figures).

Next time you are quoting power figures look for a baseline of torque over a range of revs (eg 300ft bl 3000 - 7000rpm) That way others can understand the true nature of the engine
Now that I have that off my chest I am back out to the shed!!!!!!!
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:31   #2 (permalink)
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Re: My turn to bleat and winge

The higher reving engines are ok if you have appropriate gear ratios.
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Old 12-21-2004, 20:24   #3 (permalink)
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Re: My turn to bleat and winge

Just like ricers who think they are special cos their Civics get more hp/L than a Viper or Corvette.
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Old 12-22-2004, 00:53   #4 (permalink)
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Re: My turn to bleat and winge

yeah i dont pay too much attention to kw/nm, its always nice to hear, but they are only figures and sometimes they arent correct.

i say, if you want to compare cars power adn such, use track times and strip slips, coz a car might have 300kw while another could only have 200kw but the latter might be better overall which is what impresses me more than outright figures.

and thats my two cents
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Old 12-22-2004, 00:59   #5 (permalink)
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Re: My turn to bleat and winge

these days its about bling bling not about 1/4 mile times or rwhp.
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Old 12-22-2004, 01:08   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah I used to like to go out and cruise to see what tough muscle cars were around and admire, but now it is all about image and body kits. I never see the point of spending thousands on those silly things. Take them off and it is exactly the same car - it just looks like mums car.
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Re: My turn to bleat and winge

everyone has different ways of measuring how much of a beast a car is...

some people measure using dyno figures
some people measure using 1/4 mile figures
some people measure using power/weight ratio
some people measure using lap times
hell people even measure the output of their sound systems and use that to brag!

it doesnt really matter though...who gives a toss really IMO - its all about your car, what you love about it, how you love driving it etc.

people build their cars to suit their intentions, what may not be a quick car down the quarter may be a jet on the track...its all about what you like, and really what everyone else thinks doesnt matter at all!
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well said bro :D
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Old 12-23-2004, 12:41   #9 (permalink)
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everyone has different ways of measuring how much of a beast a car is...

some people measure using dyno figures
some people measure using 1/4 mile figures
some people measure using power/weight ratio
some people measure using lap times
hell people even measure the output of their sound systems and use that to brag!

it doesnt really matter though...who gives a toss really IMO - its all about your car, what you love about it, how you love driving it etc.

people build their cars to suit their intentions, what may not be a quick car down the quarter may be a jet on the track...its all about what you like, and really what everyone else thinks doesnt matter at all!
Yeah thats all cool and good but my intentions were that people should maybe try to explain with more detail than just "yep has 10kw and it flys man", it just looks childish if you can't explain using figures then use a detailed seat of the pants description - "yep once that 111th turbo kicks in at 17000rpm it goes from slow to medium slow. but when we get to 23000rpm and the 232nd turbo it kicks in then we are getting our full 10kw. this occurs about 600foot mark on the 1/4mile. ET - 12d6h42.0221s"

But then agian nobody probably cares anyway (i do). I just think that it kills the sport becuase anyone can quote random figures and then it becomes the image contest of who can tell the most bull shit.
But I will leave it alone now.
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Old 12-23-2004, 12:47   #10 (permalink)
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Re: My turn to bleat and winge

Eve quoting dyno figures is inacurate.

I dont think it rellay matters comparing performance of cars. It isnt a pissing contest. It's all about how happy you are with your car. If you are, fine. If you arent, spend the dollars until you are. Nobody else needs to be happy with your car.
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