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Old 09-27-2004, 17:20   #1 (permalink)
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[NSW] Provisional Driver Curfew - The Facts

I know we've all had a debate before, but here's a new thread, with hard cold facts straight from the RTA, the ABS and a few other sources.

- There were 483 Fatalities on NSW roads in 2003

- People aged 17-20 were in control of a vehicle for a mere 83 fatal accidents[1]

- The highest fatalities occur where the controller of the vehicle is 30-39 years of age, with 144 fatalities

- The second highest is 40-49 year olds, with 115 fatalities

- It is averaged that one provisional driver dies every 6 days, when the national road toll is 483, this is a fairly low number

- In the period of 2002-2003, there were 414,823 provisional licences issued in NSW (Both under the 1yr Red / 2yr Green and 30mth Red systems)



So I ask you, who exactly should be banned off our roads?

Mr Carr has stated that he is calling for an information paper to be drafted to be shown to the community about why this should happen. I know I'll be lobbying against it.

If anyone's got anything to add, please do so. Keep the flames out of the thread aswell thanks, intelligent discussion only.
[1] - Point 3.4.2 - RTA Statistical Data 2003
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very interesting figures Ben, im curious as to see what others have to say
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Very interesting to see some cold hard facts as opposed to mindless politician and conservatives bitching.
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they showed a clip on the news this morning about how a "P" plate driver is killed every 6 days so they claimed, and showed crumpled up wrecks and 5.0 V8 badges to try and reinforce it.

yet nothing about any other age groups
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they showed a clip on the news this morning about how a "P" plate driver is killed every 6 days so they claimed, and showed crumpled up wrecks and 5.0 V8 badges to try and reinforce it.

yet nothing about any other age groups
Exactly, that's what sparked this.

1 Provisional Driver is killed every 6 days. That's what? 60? (Maths isn't my strong point), so that means there 423 other people dying on the road every year. Sounds to me like we've got some great odds of living here :)
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Re: [NSW] Provisional Driver Curfew - The Facts

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I know we've all had a debate before, but here's a new thread, with hard cold facts straight from the RTA, the ABS and a few other sources.

- There were 483 Fatalities on NSW roads in 2003

- People aged 17-20 were in control of a vehicle for a mere 83 fatal accidents[1]

- The highest fatalities occur where the controller of the vehicle is 30-39 years of age, with 144 fatalities

- The second highest is 40-49 year olds, with 115 fatalities

- It is averaged that one provisional driver dies every 6 days, when the national road toll is 483, this is a fairly low number

- In the period of 2002-2003, there were 414,823 provisional licences issued in NSW (Both under the 1yr Red / 2yr Green and 30mth Red systems)



So I ask you, who exactly should be banned off our roads?

Mr Carr has stated that he is calling for an information paper to be drafted to be shown to the community about why this should happen. I know I'll be lobbying against it.

If anyone's got anything to add, please do so. Keep the flames out of the thread aswell thanks, intelligent discussion only.
[1] - Point 3.4.2 - RTA Statistical Data 2003
Nice stats. Now get the figures for road fatalities by age that occur between the hours of the curfew they are proposing. I think you'll find they've done their research.
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I admit it would suck to be a P-Plated driver at this time and I don't believe more laws will solve the problem. If a young driver is stupid enough to break the law by speeding and losing control of his vehicle, what's to stop him breaking the law by driving during the hours of the proposed curfew. He'd also be less inclided to wear his P's during these hours, impacting on the safety of other motorists who prefer to avoid P plated drivers on the road.

You can't ignore the facts though. Attached are a couple of links too.

"The first three months of getting a licence is a particularly dangerous time for young drivers," she said. A study showed that young drivers with more than one peer passenger in the car were 15 times more likely to have an accident than when driving alone.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...&oneclick=true

http://www.youthsafe.org/injury/litreview.htm
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You can thank the media for all the attention they put on young drivers. Everyone knows young people arn't the ones dying the most, but the thing is it sells! People are more interestedin hearing about a young fatality than an older fatality. The media focuses on it so much because it gets ratings and sells papers. I dont really care anymore because im no longer a P plater, but this curfue crap is just another attempt by the goverment to try and pretend like their doing something about it, when in reality they dont give a f***. Nothing will ever get done people so I wouldnt worry to much. People will always continue to die on the roads and nothing anyone does will prevent this, its just a sad fact of life.
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Nice stats. Now get the figures for road fatalities by age that occur between the hours of the curfew they are proposing. I think you'll find they've done their research.
That's a very good point but also flawed with the use of "assumed statistics". I wouldnt know where to gather that particular stat (fatalaties by age and time of day) and am not even sure if such data has been collated. If we are making assumptions on this data then I would suggest that more fatal accidents occur at night, regardless of driver age.

I also note that the 2nd article posted above (unable to get 1st one) is based on quite outdated data (some referenced documents from 1994 and an obvious focus on 1997-1998) data. It is also focused entirely on NSW (altho nowadays what study isnt focused on NSW, lol). I also observed several instances where stats from NZ were introduced into the discussion. The article then goes on to discuss the risk taking practices by young male drivers however i note that many of these (including speed, the largest factor) are not restricted to young drivers.

Please do not take this an attack on your argument, but personally I find the statistics revealed in the first post (albeit NSW specific again) to be a much more accurate representation.

Also noting the above resource has an obvious focus on young MALE drivers which i believe is outside the scope of the P-Plater curfew debate.
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Please do not take this an attack on your argument, but personally I find the statistics revealed in the first post (albeit NSW specific again) to be a much more accurate representation.
Thatís cool. I didn't think you were attacking me. The reason why I posted my initial post was because of an article I was listening to on Hack (Triple J 5:30pm) a few weeks ago, where Steve was interviewing the transport minister who announced how much higher the statistics are for young drivers involved in accidents during the early hours of the morning. He also referred to statistics showing how much higher the risk is with a passenger onboard.

Unfortunately, I haven't found reference to the stats he was referring to but, he indicated the likelihood of a young motorist being involved in a fatality during those early hours is substantially higher (at least 5 times) than that of an experienced motorist.

To me it sounded like there was justification for a curfew, providing it was practical to implement.
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