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Old 06-24-2001, 19:25   #1 (permalink)
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OZ Ford's 6 is best in ford world.

I have been lookin at the US engines avalible at the moment and comparing them to what we have here, man are we lucky!!

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5.0 V8:
220kW @ 5250/435Nm @ 4000
200Kw @ 5000/420Nm @ 3750
175kW @ 4600/395Nm @ 3200

Inline 4.0L 6 cylinder:
172kW @ 5000/374Nm @ 3500
164kW @ 5000/366Nm @ 3150
157kW @ 4900/357Nm @ 3000

Ford USA
6 Cylinder
157Kw @6500/278Nm @4750 (3.0L V6)
151Kw @4800/342Nm @3400 (4.2L V6)
153Kw @5250/320Nm @3000 (4.0L V6)
141Kw/298Nm (3.8L V6)

8 Cylinder (naturally asperated only)
194Kw @5250/410Nm @4000 (4.6L V8 mustang)
175Kw @5250/372Nm @4000 (4.6L V8 totl CrownVic)8
239kw @6000/429Nm @4750 (4.6L V8 32 Valve)
194Kw @4500/475Nm @2500 (5.4L V8 16 Valve)
223kw @5000/481Nm @2750 (5.4L V8 32 Valve)

6 Cylinder engines that are superior:0
8 Cylinder engines that are superior:2

The 5.4L DOHC V8 is the true competitor to the LS1 in the usa. I hope we see this fella over here. Ford seems to like making lots of diffrent heads for the engines.

Why would anyone axe the i 4.0? The only justification is because the yank designers want to design a crappy V6 better for FWD's.

If anything they should scrap the 3.8, 4.0 and 4.2 and replace them with the 4.0 inline in various states of tune. In FTE can fit a 6.8L V10 into a mustang, Ford US should be able to fit a 4.0 inline 6 into a mustang... And the F-150's and SUV's should have no clearance problems.

Think about the money that Ford US would save! Think about the development $'s to be spent on the oz 6! DOHC and 24 valves would be a snap, infact, a major redesign could be justified, allowing a alloy block to be developed in the interests of lowering flab, and helping economy.

Of course with a fancy new 6 cylinder factory, ford OZ could then perhaps make a modular 5.8L V8? A stroked/bored 5.4? This V8 could then be shipped for special mustangs, F trucks etc..

With the dollar the way it is, the only logical choice is to replace the crappy V6's with the inline as much as possible. Its the perfect engine for so many applications!
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Politics, think about all so those yanks who would be out of work, cause of us, and then think of those lobbyist and politicians.....and that is why it aint gunna happen........

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Pity, cause we do make a better 6, and I think if we were allowed we could make a much better 8 too!
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Old 06-24-2001, 22:03   #3 (permalink)
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why doesnt ford USA give Ford Australia a bigger budget so we could increase the size of out Geelong plant to build V8s? Sorta like what Holdens doing with fishermans bend soon
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Why doesn't Ford World, ie; Jac, allow us to export our Falcons to markets such as the middle east?

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Why doesn't Ford World, ie; Jac, allow us to export our Falcons to markets such as th

for the simple fact that we would be competing directly against thier product... the crown Victoria
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Ford Oz having the best ford 6's in the world, i'll second that for sure. Even in this guise the engine is already the best let alone when the goodies come in like DOHC and turbo. :D :D :D

Yeah the falcon would eat in to the Crown Vic and Taurus market, not to mention the other brands like Lincoln and Mercury.

Judging by the way the americans comment about our falcons, they'd choose our falcons anyday over there cars cause it's better. :D :D
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Well, perhaps this is one area which is wrong with Ford. Look at the figures, the oz 6 is far better than any 6 cylinder they have, and about equal to the base V8's, and we all know the oz6 has more room for improvement.

If Ford OZ can't export cars, I can understand why (I don't agree tho), why can't it export engines?

There is alot more to export than making money. Exporting adds prestige to a product, look at the Magna, they run full page adds on how its the only australian car exported to the USA, that appeals to magna buyers. Look at Holden, the Calais and stateman are the cars more oil sheaks choose to drive, plus they earn alittle more on the slow selling models to justify a little more investment. Look at how holden markets the Calais, Calais International...

Ford Australia has what? Nothing. Ford hasn't done anything scince the Capri, and thats why its still tainted with Capri failure. The Capri was more of a failure of US management than Australian execution of the idea.

So while FORD usa burns money making a new V6 for the mustang, new rwd platforms, FoA struggles with sales and funding and has exactly what FoU needs.

This is what companies do before they leave local production arena. If Ford US wants to Manage Ford AU this way, then they want Ford OZ to close operations.

If Ford OZ closes down, I hope the government at the time, pulls its finger out and does something smart. Like aquires staff and and designs and sets up a Australian owned Company.
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You also have to remember about fuel economy and emissions, the 4.0L wouldnt be good in either regard, especially in the tight US market. Yeah it would probably make a good engine in the F-Series but would it greatly increase sales? very unlikely. It would cost large amounts of dollars to get it operational into an actual production truck. They would have to undergo long reliability testing, (could the Falcon 6 withstand -20C temperatures for 3 months of the year?) A huge used parts network has to be installed throughout its dealers, and a many many people have to be trained on how to fix the thing. And how well do you think their unions will respond to all their lost jobs due to this new engine?

The costs would outweight the benifits 10 fold.

It just wouldnt add up, the old girl just has to be put to pasture, and its replacement (3.8L V6??) will have more power, better economy, better emissions, lighter, smoother and a better spread of torque, probably even more torque if its designed right.
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Re: Why doesn't Ford World, ie; Jac, allow us to export our Falcons to markets such as th

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for the simple fact that we would be competing directly against thier product... the crown Victoria

Yeppas, this I know, I was sorting of using that question to answer this thread in a way...............

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The costs would outweight the benifits 10 fold.

It just wouldnt add up, the old girl just has to be put to pasture, and its replacement (3.8L V6??) will have more power, better economy, better emissions, lighter, smoother and a better spread of torque, probably even more torque if its designed right.
Money talks and bullsh*t walks. Right now Ford Oz has stuff all of the folding stuff which gives it stuff all bargaining power.

I hope you're right on the new 6 Martin. It would be a big mistake to have huge power gains in the final laps of the I6 and the windsor. These new motors must produce more power, more smoothly than their predecessors. Can you imagine the embarrasment if we had a 175kw(??) I6 to be replaced by a 150kw V6?? Ford would be the laughing stock of the ages.. (again!)..
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