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Old 06-03-2003, 16:21   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Priorities of Our Police?

Well, rather than just whinge on here as some people do, I'm doing something constructive. I'm attending a community Police meeting tonight and I'm going to say something about Police attitudes to car theft.

From the last thread which was closed before I had a say, my friend who had his VY stolen saw the event just after the car was started and was already leaving the driveway - hence he had no time to confront the offender.

The issue is that someone stealing this sort of car is a pro. How many other cars are they stealing? The reason why car theft is such a big problem is that the Police do not even try to seize the opportunity to try and catch offenders when the odds are best. Knowing the location of this theft there were only two roads which the thieves were likely to use when leaving making Police chances of an arrest high. yet they didn't care nor could they be bothered.

I know the Police are fighting a losing battle but you also have to seize the chances when they come yoiur way. XA's comments seem realistic until you consider that any organisation in a customer service and safety role cannot use 'under resourced' to excuse their shortcomings. Imagine if airlines said they couldn't do safety checks and maintenance because they didn't have enough staff?

The problem is the attitude of the Police. They have a customer charter but it seems they have no process in place to provide what they 'promise' to the community.
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Old 06-03-2003, 16:29   #2 (permalink)
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I commend you for your stance on speed, revenue etc, but I feel really uncomfortable with police bashing.

I didnt close your last thread, but I agree with it being done, its all down to personal experience, I too have had my good with the bad, more so bad, but the times I really needed them, they where there!

Sp what am i saying?., beats me!
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Old 06-03-2003, 16:39   #3 (permalink)
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without wanting to start a sh!t fight, why isn't being under resourced a reasonable excuse?? If it's because they have a customer charter so does Telstra and look how they treat their customers with plenty of resourcing.
I just don't get it. It's always the people that have been there and done that that seem to be the staunchest defenders, doesn't that give you any inkling of the fact that it's not as simple as some people think?
Anyway, no more from me
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Old 06-03-2003, 16:59   #4 (permalink)
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First off Pete, find out if the call made to 000 went further than the dispatcher; ive got a feeling it would have been reported as a non-response job, maybe not even a job at all - the dispatcher may have thought it was too late for police action - anyway 000 is supposed to be for life threatening emergencies - I believe that the outcome might have been a little different if the police station was called directly.

Second off, I don't agree that the police don't do anything; I think they do quite a good job, especially when the shit hits the fan. Pretty much every emergency service is under-resourced; its basically natural in this day and age. Ask the fire brigade whether they have enough Skylifts, ask the ambos if they have enough heavy rescue, ask the police whether they have enough officers.

Unfortuantley for the police, with so many complaints by some people, and of course to document eveything for the courts, spend the majority of their time behind the desk doing paperwork.
The police service has really cleaned itself up after the royal commissions.

Tread carefully pete, this could be considered police bashing, and could have a detrimental effect on your anti-speed camera campaign.

Thats it from me too.
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Maybe they are in on the big conspiracy Pete, or at least their masters in the Government are. You know the one;

Scum steal car,
Owner makes insurance claim,
Repair shops (being screwed by Insurance company) buys stolen parts to effect repairs, thus ensuring a ready market for stolen car parts,
Insurance company happy as promotes industry repair costs being managed down, blames govt &/or police for increased stolen car rate.

Insurance premiums go up, everyone pays more for insurance,
Insurance company makes bigger profits, shareholders rejoice.

Police blame lack of resources & funding, ask for more,
Government says they can't fund everything, diverts our attention to the economy, look at how well it's doing!
Company profits up (well the Finance & Insurance industries anyway - who produce nothing), Dividends up, Share prices up.

What! You also want better Health, Education, Security.
Your taxes will have to go up to cover that....and on it goes...



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Old 06-03-2003, 18:05   #6 (permalink)
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Pete , is this for the shire command or for the cronulla area?

I have lost a couple of cars now in cronulla and havent got a bit of help at all , not even a recovery.

I reckon most of our cops are great but this isnt a priority for them. Its only by people making the point of how much it affects us that they will put more priority on it.

Send me some details on where eh?
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An example of what has happened here in Tassie,
3 weeks ago, Village cinemas put in a policy of no food in the cinemas, unless you bought it at there candy store. Put on security etc to police it. Well that didnt go down to well with the locals, one took it to task, and had a packet of Maltesers with him, he wouldnt hand it over to cinema staff, they rang the police, 3 cars, and 7 uniformed cops there in 5 mins.
In contrast, 2 hrs later, a friend of mine came home, found his place had been broken into, took 6 hrs for police to respond.
Now I am not trying to Police Bash, I have the utmost respect for them, but come on, where are the priorites?
A guy taking Malteses into Village Cinemas?
As a footnote, Village cinemas revoked their decision on food, after big customer backlash.
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7:30pm Oyster Bay Community Hall on Oyster Bay Rd (?) tonite 7:30pm. They're all gonna complain about the vandalism of young louts destroying property but there's another agenda item isn't there?

Anyhow, I created this thread because I had to have my say. When Police refuse to take action when $50,000 goes missing they are useless. The smallest effort in this case would have reaped rewards. If the car had gone missing and no one actually saw it leave (i.e. woke up in the morning and found it gone) I'd agree that there is not much the cops can do.

And for those who reckon you'd confront the thieves, you better have a long hard think because in my personal experience these people carry handguns (which I am not allowed to have), and often there is more than one of them.
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Oh and in my experience recently with an assault incident you're flat out getting action from the Sutherland area cops unless of course you're gay, female, or whatever - certainly not if you're a hetero white male.
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Ok. If you think my input here is innapropriate let me know and I will refrain from posting in these kind of discussions again. I honestly couldn't be bothered arguing with some of the members on this forum.

But my experiences with the police in my local Bundaberg have been far from positive. A family I know called the police as a man who had been banned from their place of business for violence and vandalism was back. (You all know the kind of person im talking about here) The police said they would send a car around. This was at about 8 at night. Come 9 oclock the police had not shown up. The husband in the family went outside and asked the man to leave. (I know this guy, and he was quite reasonable with his request) The man was attacked and knocked unconcious. At this, his wife came out with a kinfe and chased the man away. The police were contacted twice more during the night and finally showed up ay approximately 1am. They took down a report of what happened. And that was it. Nothing ever came of it.

Approximately a week later I was pulled over whilst driving laps of the local main street. (as myself and other car enthusiasts have a habit of doing) I was pulled over. My car was gone over and I was defected for a malfunctioning horn. (I know my car was unroadworthy and that by rights they can do this. But you'd honestly think they could find something better to do with their time.

A week later I was Driving laps of the CBD again. A police car parked on the side of the road has pulled out behind me and then pulled me over. I was informed that my stereo was too loud and that i could be fined for it. They then let me go with a warning for that. Catching up with a mate of mine about an hour lately, he informed me the same thing had happened to him. Now I have a headunit, 6*9's and 4 inch front speakers. No amplifiers or anything. I certainly wasn't rattling shop windows with the system. The police had no instruments to measure the stereo's loudness. Yet they felt it necessary to pull me over and warn me about it.

Im not here to have a whinge about the police pulling me over. Its not like it effected me that much. but when you have upwards of 10 police cars patrolling the CBD to pull people over because they have their music turned up and defect people for unfunctioning horn's and you don't have the resources to send a car out to the above situation something doesn't add up in my book.
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