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Old 03-26-2002, 05:43   #1 (permalink)
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mad "Road Safety"...great joke if it wasnt so serious

now i am angry. i have listened to their bulls*#t for long enough now.

our beloved politicians have gone too far. first we get a 50kmh limit (unenforced so what difference does it make) and now they are going to take these inappropriate car ads off the telly. you know the ones...holdens doing a bit of circle work in a deserted paddock, xr8's on salt lakes hosing jet cars. is there no limit to their stupidity.

1. the car ads. michelle roberts, the police minister in WA cos our last one lost her licence...again, supports the move to ban the car ads that portray anti-social behaviour. her reasonong is, and i hope you are sitting down cos this is crazy, that the car companes spend more on advertising than is spent on road safety ads and the government cant compete. CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS??? this is someone who is supposed to be intelligent. but what does she do? she appeals to the mindless millions who actually believe the crap she is spouting. i think the next car company to do an ad ought to show her being dragged behind whatever car they are selling. i will buy it.

2. this 50 kmh limit. classic stuff in WA. why? cos it isnt enforced. our police stated that cameras would not be used on side streets to enforce this. why? let me tell you. because a camera placed on my street woul;d likely get 6 people in an hour doing 10 kays over. a camera on a nice flat, straight stretch of road will probably collect 100 people in an hour (you know the ones...for those that live in WA, try these...morley drive, alexander drive, karrinyup road, whitfords ave, either freeway...the list is endless and i am sure it is the same in every other state of this country). you dont need to be einstien to work out which is the best business decision...as such, i know of only one instance of this being enforced, and that was near a school at 3.30 in the afternoon. nice token effort.

if these idiots who get voted in time after time cant be serious aboyut road safety (and it is bloody obvious that they couldnt give a toss) then why dont they just SHUT THE HELL UP and go back to what they do best...lying, cheating and basically stealing (mentioning names on here could get me in trouble...so i wont, but we all know who they are). if they really are serious, then a proper method of licencing would be a good start. testing people to see if they can perform a 3 point turn is not going to save anyones life. when was the last time you did one? right, your test. ever since then you have taken as many points as necessary or used someones driveway.

oh, and one final rant. this is also pretty bizarre, but sadly true. in WA i cannot buy a model of the 1981 world rally winning escort. why? because, in letters about 5mm high on the side is the word 'rothmans'. our state government is so freaking anally retentive that they have decided that this is cigarette advertising, so is a no-go zone. for f*#ks sake! when will these assclowns in government leave us alone to make SOME decisions for oursleves?

speed kills is a nice political catchcry. besides the obvious flaws with this arguement, it is easier and more likely to be bandied abot by our friends in parliament than 'politicians apathy and need for cheap votes kills'. sadly, the latter is the more correct, but will never get aired.

and finally, that old chestnut of restricting engine sizes to newer drivers is being dragged up again. any car can do 160 kmh, irrespective of engine size (except my fiesta...its performance is measured with a calendar). without proper education, the effects of an accident at this speed is largely the same, irrespective of engine size. further, many smaller engined cars accelerate harder than large engines...witness the humiliation a 2 litre escort dishes out to 202, 253 and standard 308. but this is ignored. unless people are trained to handle their cars, unless they are trained to drive in different conditions, unless they are trained in skid control, unless they are trained in car control, and unless they are trained to read the road ahead, instead the arse of the car in front, then people will still keep dying on our roads, and the pollies will keep coming up with more ridiculous 'road safety initaitives'.

if there is a politician out there who is capable of reading, and actually reads this, email me, post on the board, anything, but bloody prove me wrong!
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Old 03-26-2002, 06:36   #2 (permalink)
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Hey.... I agree with you there!!

I do know of the 50 zone being enforced though...

A mate of mine (an apprentice mechanic) was done for 51 in a 50 zone. !!!

If a car company showed an add of a car going through the moves in an advanced driver course... skid pad, cornering, etc etc.... would this be deemed unacceptable??
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Old 03-26-2002, 12:14   #3 (permalink)
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Well said rsgerry,
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Old 03-26-2002, 12:36   #4 (permalink)
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A mate of mine (an apprentice mechanic) was done for 51 in a 50 zone. !!!
You're kidding?! Did he fight it and get off? Jeez, ONE km/h over. You'd they'd have better things to do, eh...
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Mmmm...road safety sure seems to fire you up rsgerry! I agree with the stuff you say. It wouldn't matter if they spent a zillion $$ on ads for road safety ads and $10 on car ads the result would most likely be the same. Very few people are going to turn on the box and watch a RS ad and go "Ooohh, I must remember to slow down more and drive more carefully". It just doesn't happen.

The RS money needs to be spent on driver education ie. advanced driving type courses not stupid ads. These type of courses should be mandantory for everyone going for a driving licence in Australia.

Politics is all about looking like you are doing something, not actually doing anything hence useless ads and speed cameras at the bottom of freeway hills etc. It's been this way since time began and IMO is only getting worse, I don't see an end in sight.

Getting booked at 51km/h is a joke (not very funny), there is an article over at drive.com.au that talks about a 10% tolerance on speeding and that under Australian Design Rule 18, car speedometers were required to be accurate to within only 10 percent at speeds above 40 kmh.
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Old 03-27-2002, 02:13   #6 (permalink)
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Nicely said rsgerry.... I totally agree with you that new drivers should be trained to have proper control of the car, this will certainly increase safety on the roads. Engine capacity being restricted to age i found utterly stupid because wheteher your doin 120km/h in a V8 or 120km/h in a 4 cyl your still in deep shit if you loose control and hit a wall or another car.. .. And i totally aggee that police do monitor the roads which will create the biggest revenue, BUT hold on a sec, how the heck are we going to stop those F*#$ing wankers who constanly put their own and other peoples safety at risk, like swerving in and out of traffic like maniacs, over-taking on the other side of the road, people doin 80km/h over the speed limit in a 50 zone. I belive those limits where imposed jsut incase a kid runs on to the road. Some people will never learn and continualy break the law.I have been driving a EL XR8 since i had my L's (i am 19) and have never driven to stupid speeds and put other peoples safety at risk on the road, i'm not sure if it's just me or my personal experiences which make me think twice before i do anything stupid but the government ought impose stricter rules..If anyone thinks that i am wrong in any way please correct me but i reckon the government resticting the roads and making it harder to receive licences more and more over these past few years is because of those irresponsible people that have wrecked the extra freedom for everyone else. I totally agree with this stance the government is taking if it will just save someones life.... I don't mean to sound like a party pooper but i do love my v8's and the roar they make but there is no place for dangerous driving on public roads, if people like speeding then maybe driving on a private track could cater their needs, but if they don't wont to, maybe a couple steel bars will keep them controled, or even worse a wooden box..thankyou
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Falchoon..it isnt that road safety fires me up, more the cynicism displayed by pollies. they SAY they are concerned, but in reality they couldnt give a shit. if they dont care, just come out and say it! dont hide behind solutions that arent good enough to be called band-aid solutions.

as for the camera money being spent on road saafety...HA! the idiots in the WA liberal party PROMISED that when they introduced these curses that every cent would be put back into road safety. what do they do? put back one third. we have an election, and the labour party in WA promise to fi this. wha do they do? post a drunk driver to the office of road safety (a bit like putting hitler in charge of ethnic affairs) and then proceed to do SOD ALL about the fines going back to road safety.

my political stance? they are all a bunch of lying, self serving shitbags.

DmainMan...sadly we will never get rid of the fool who pulls out in front without l;ooking (and gives you the finger for using the horn!!). well, we cant do it legally anyway. but proper education PRIOR to issuing a licence would go a long way towards getting rid of this. a bit of courtesy is what is needed. it is just a pity that needs to be taught.
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Falchoon..it isnt that road safety fires me up, more the cynicism displayed by pollies. they SAY they are concerned, but in reality they couldnt give a shit. if they dont care, just come out and say it! dont hide behind solutions that arent good enough to be called band-aid solutions.

my political stance? they are all a bunch of lying, self serving shitbags.

That is exactly my position.

I'm not opposed to a 50k limit if I am shown convincingly that it will make a real difference in saving lives and reducing injuries, but here in Vic they imposed it only in residential streets where most of the casualties don't occur, while doing nothing where they do, yet making big noises about how one death too many is too much. Bullshit!

They are all indeed a bunch of lying, self serving shitbags. That's where the biggest problem obstacle to sensible and effective road safety measures is, not on the roads.
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They are all indeed a bunch of lying, self serving shitbags. That's where the biggest problem obstacle to sensible and effective road safety measures is, not on the roads.
EA S & rs gerry you have only just worked this out? A bit slow guys. Majority of pollies are just in it for what they can get out of it for themselves, like a big fat superannuation payout etc etc. Some of them actually do mean well but can't see the forest for the trees and the ones that can see the forest can't convince their fatcat mates to go along with them, don't want to rock the boat now, so they just go with the flow and pick up the fat paycheque every fortnight. As Derryn says, that's life.
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I think you have expressed the feelings of many of us. Our politicians should take a visit to Canada where several States have pronounced that speed cameras are a money making venture that do not reduce the road toll, and as a consequence they have banned them. Our law makers formula SPEED=KILLS is flawed and incomplete. It's more like:

SPEED+ALCOHOL=KILLS or
SPEED+TIREDNESS=KILLS or
SPEED+INCOMPETENCE=KILLS or
SPEED+LACK OF CONCENTRATION=KILLS

A classic ad is the one showing two fellas in a ute driving along a country road. They are chatting away and fail to see that they have wandered over the other side of the road. A quick glimpse at the speedo shows they are just over the limit. A bus comes along, they swerve to miss it and a fatal crash is the result. The conclusion, 'speed kills', what a load of #@!$. There is no doubt it's all part of a campaign to justify more cameras and hence more money.
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