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Old 09-01-2004, 06:50   #1 (permalink)
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Victoria Liberal Party reponse to my road policy query

I sent off a letter to Robert Doyle asking him about his position on road policy and revenue cameras. It looks like someone actually answered it, and looking at their policys there seems to be a greater emphasis on driver training.


Dear Mr Volkov

Thank you for your email of 29 August 2004 to the Liberal Party, redirected
to Mr Robert Doyle MP, Leader of the Liberal Party.

Mr Doyle notes your concerns.

While the Liberal Party will release our detailed transport policies
through Mr Terry Mulder MP, Shadow Minister for Transport, prior to the
State election due in November 2006, we have already released many Position
Papers.

The Position Paper on driver training can be found at
www.vic.liberal.org.au

The Liberal Party will continue to advocate for the use of speed cameras as
a road safety tool, rather than the Bracks Labor Government's aim of
revenue raising. On Channel 9 news a few minutes ago, a former speed
camera operator suggested that the way in which speed cameras were operated
in Victoria included some very questionable practices. This is a further
vindication of Mr Mulder and the Liberal Party's views.

Kind regards.

Yours sincerely

Edmund Carew
Office of Robert Doyle MP
Leader of the Liberal Party.





Heres some excerpts from their Driver Education policy.

The Liberal Plan

A Liberal Government will:
Retain the present regulations that require ‘P’ plate drivers to have ‘zero alcohol’ readings and exclude them from driving highly powered vehicles;
Maintain the current two-stage Provisional License;
Increase the current efforts to tackle drink driving by increasing police resources devoted to random breath testing and
Make the detection of dangerous speed on Victorian roads effective, fair and targeted in areas which are identified as a Blackspots and high-risk sites.

A Liberal Government will also place a greater emphasis and resources to improving the skills of Victorian drivers.
This effort will involve:
Improving young drivers’ skills;
Improving older drivers’ skills and
Increasing driver education and road safety knowledge in Victorian schools.

Young Drivers
A Liberal Government will:
Require Learner Drivers to do a minimum of 120 hours of practical driving experience. A ‘log book’ will be kept by each driver that records their experience under a range of conditions, including wet weather, night driving and at varying speeds.
Those in the first two years on their ‘P’ plates will be encouraged to undertake further formal driver training which could include:
Best Practice driving courses.
Subsidise the cost of undertaking a ‘Best Practice’ Driving Course for P Plate licence holders. (Eligibility will not be restricted by age)
Visiting Trauma centres/spinal units with the consent and co-operation of practitioners and patients to reinforce the potential consequences of road trauma and
Car maintenance courses.

Older drivers
A Liberal Government will help senior Victorians maintain their driving ability by allowing those who are experiencing functional difficulties but are hesitant to seek assistance in case they lose their licence, access to a confidential reference service.

This service will develop a package of voluntary tests including physical and driving ability tests to assist in identifying where the older driver can be assisted in maintaining and improving their driving ability.
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Old 09-01-2004, 08:52   #2 (permalink)
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"Retain the present regulations that require ‘P’ plate drivers to have ‘zero alcohol’ readings" - Good idea but they should consider changing it to take into account some foods and mouthwash and stuff can give a slight reading.

"exclude them from driving highly powered vehicles" - This is a complete joke, is their any evidence this law has been working at all? There is no clear reasoning behind this law apart from to please the thousands of morons that belive today tonight and ACA. The newer performance cars that are over the limit are far safer than the older models that are under the limit. I could have bought a BA XR8 or XR6T falcon with side airbags and traction control but because of this law I am driving an older falcon that is about 0.5 of a second slower but has far less safety features. Another thing they dont consider is that cars get more powerfull each year. If they had brought this law in during the 60s or 70s the only car P-platers would be allowed to drive would be some 3 cylinder dihatsu. At the moment A P plater is allowed to drive mid 90s HSV but I couldn't drive the 2005 version of the 4cylinder non turbo hatchback I use to own. Soon P platers wont even be able to drive a new base model 6 cylinder sedan. I dont see how they could possibly expect this law to work when most newer cars can reach 180 easily and P platers are allowed to drive death traps like the 90s exec commadores.

Maintain the current two-stage Provisional License - Does Victoria even have a 2 stage Provisinal license at the moment?

Increase the current efforts to tackle drink driving by increasing police resources devoted to random breath testing - Fair enough.

Make the detection of dangerous speed on Victorian roads effective, fair and targeted in areas which are identified as a Blackspots and high-risk sites. - So speeding will not be the main road safety focus seeing as it accounts for less than 10% of fatal accidents even according to government data? I bet they will reintroduce 10% tolerance thats it.

Require Learner Drivers to do a minimum of 120 hours of practical driving experience. A ‘log book’ will be kept by each driver that records their experience under a range of conditions, including wet weather, night driving and at varying speeds. - This is a really stupid idea kids arnt going to want to drive thanks to having to fill out paperwork at the end of every drive, not to mention im sure these will be filled in with fictional trips a day or 2 before they go for their license.

Those in the first two years on their ‘P’ plates will be encouraged to undertake further formal driver training which could include:

Best Practice driving courses. - If these are run by the government they will be useless. A proper driving course would conflict with what the TAC and MUARC say. I have attended the AAMI driving course which the courts are already sending people to apparently, it was a complete joke. It was mostly pro speed camera propergander and they gave incorrect and dangerouse advice on braking techniques.

Subsidise the cost of undertaking a ‘Best Practice’ Driving Course for P Plate licence holders. (Eligibility will not be restricted by age) - No going to make a difference if the courses are useless.

Visiting Trauma centres/spinal units with the consent and co-operation of practitioners and patients to reinforce the potential consequences of road trauma - Most car crashes are ACCIDENTS im not sure the shock tactics work all that well.

Car maintenance courses. - A good idea, maybe they could replace the TAC worlds most bloodthirsty car crash add series with adds reminding people to check their tyre pressures and not buy the cheapest tyres possible.
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Old 09-01-2004, 21:32   #3 (permalink)
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Some pretty good ideas in there, most of which have been brought up on this forum again and again and again. Wonderful to see that the people with aspirations towards running the state/country have started to catch up with concepts and ideas that have been going around the general population for years. Unfortunately they still seem to want to stick with the rediculous 0% BAC and ban on high performance vehicles for p platers, but the rest seems pretty good. Although being politicians they will of course find a way to screw it up completely, most likely by way of cost cutting to keep it as cheap as possible, ie. sub standard driving training.
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The problem that P Platers havge with these restrictions is that older drivers just don't care.

A ban on high performance cars in my book sounds like an attempt to reduce hooning through outlaw. I have thought about this and a year or so ago posted my views on FF.

If we need to "limit" hooning in the early stages of driving learning and development, then in my opinion, the best option would be to require young drivers of High performance cars to hold comprehensive insurance on the vehicle. This would allow the car to be accessable, while providing a useful "after the fact" protection for other road users, especially considering statistics for under 25s being on the road, therefore represent a higher proportion of accidents. Of course, the deterant would be in the premium required to insure the car, and of course, and we all know how the insurers work in relation to grey imports and mods etc.

We could always have a tax or a Latham Levy, but that will of course just end up in the governments coffers again.
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at least they replied to you.....
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Old 09-02-2004, 03:57   #6 (permalink)
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Ye good points lizardmech, i noticed them as well but couldnt be bothered going over them for everyone.
It will be a bright day for motorists and enthusiasts when we see a government that puts reasonable laws in place that we are happy with.
In teh meantime, The Liberals would do a better job than Bracks (even my dog would i think) with the economy and road regulations. Seeing as we live in a 2party system thee isnt much choice.

The longterm solution is for increased influence from pressure groups (thers only 1 right now the -NMAA), the majority of drivers a motorists why cant we weild teh same power as groups like teh NRA in U.S.
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The Liberals would do a better job than Bracks (even my dog would i think) with the economy and road regulations. Seeing as we live in a 2party system thee isnt much choice.
I bet your dog would also remember to register on the electoral roll before an election and not drink & drive resulting in crashing into parked cars early in the morning...ahh politicians...practioners at the art of telling you what you want to hear until you put them in office and then it becomes a case of core and non-core promises. I know I've mixed my state and fed. governements but they are all moulded from the same bucket of manure no matter which colour they fly.
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Yeah well, no one seems to step forward and to do a better job.
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Those in the first two years on their ‘P’ plates will be encouraged to undertake further formal driver training which could include:
Best Practice driving courses.

I don't think this should be encouraged, rather enforced.
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They're still politicians so they can't be trusted no matter what is said in an email. I think next time I will write a random name on the ballot sheet and tick it...
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