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Old 12-25-2004, 01:58   #1 (permalink)
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What do you want to see on the next model Falcon?

I hope this is not a repost. If so, then please accept my humble apoligies. I will run through a few specs I would like to see on the next falcon and FPV models. I know alot of people will add different options and this and that, but for the moment I will keep mine simple and maybe add a few later on.

To start the range I don't think much should change. The XT should keep the 182kw/380nm 6 as I don't believe it needs more power for a base model. XT should come with a 4 speed auto or 5 speed T5. The optional V8 should have 250kw SOHC 5.4 with the 4 speed auto or 6 speed T56. All sedans should come with control blade IRS and utes with live axle leaf spring as per previous models.

XR6 should get a 190kw/390nm (with red rocker cover) donk, with a 3.46 LSD standard and option 4 speed auto or 5 speed T5. It should also get Territory spec brakes standard. Fairmont, fairmont ghia and fairlane ghia should all have the XR6 running gear standard (excluding manual option) but optional 250kw V8 with 6 speed auto optional. Fairmont ghia and Fairlane ghia should have a 250kw XR6T engine as an option, which comes with a 6 speed auto optional aswell. LTD should get the 250kw V8 and 6 speed auto standard, with all the fruit and rear screens in the headrest (like Caprice).

Territory should get bigger spec brakes to XT, and vented rear rotors like the previous model. All other options should be the same as per Falcon range. TX gets the base engine, TS should get the XR6 engine and the Ghia should get the xr6 engine, LSD, and optional XR6T motor. Maybe even one of those TDCI V6's from jaguar. I don't know enough about the diesel market to really comment though.

XR6T and XR8 should get a 250kw/460nm 6 and a 280kw/515nm 5.4 Quad cam V8 respectively. Standard brakes should be the twin piston 325mm front/single piston 303mm rear set up that is currently optional on the XR range (excluding na XR6) and standard on the fpv range (excluding GT with the brembo standard). Transmissions should be 6 speed manual or 6 speed ZF auto. 3.46 diff for XR8, 3.73 for XR6T. Wheels should be 18" wheels standard with 245/40/18 rubber.

FPV should should start the range with a 300kw/580nm F6 Typhoon and tornado. There should also be an AWD territory with the F6 spec running gear but auto only. GT, GT-P and Pursuit should get a 320kw/550nm 5.4 quad cam with variable valve timing. Across the range standard should be brembos, 3.73 final drive and a T56 6 speed manual with a twin plate clutch or ZF 6 speed auto as well as 19" wheels. Tyres should be 245/35/19 front and 275/35/19 rear. Optional should be Koni adjustable suspension, while GT-P should get them standard.

Now for Ford/FPV's flagship model. It should have no less than 350kw standard. Lets just say I'd be happy to see a 360kw/640nm 5.4 Quad cammer normally aspirated with everything. VCT, Cobra R internals (or similar) with billet steel rods, forged steel crank so it can rev to 6800rpm atleast! free flowing quad exhaust exhaust, big mouth CAI, u/drive pulleys and maybe even a twin TB set up. The ford racing parts catalogue from the states will have it all so theres no excuse! Standard equiptment should see a specially prepaired 3.91 final drive diff, T56 with cermaic twin plate clutch or (cringe) ZF 6 speed auto with strogner internals, Koni adjustables suspension, 6 piston (brembo/AP racing or whoever else is available) brakes.

Weight saving measures should see carbon fibre panels (bonnet, wing, guards) amoung other things. Recarro bucket seats with leather and suede and body coloured stitching and inserts. It should still come with all the fruit, same options as the GT-P. Wheels should be 19" all round with specially made michelin pilot sport rubber 265/35/19 front and 295/35/19 rear.

As for naming a big beast like this, I am still unsure. I don't know about anyone else, but id be nervous to ever use the GTHO name. Maybe a car like mine would live up to the name. But then it would suck if holden came out with a 7 litre 375kw donk and blew it out of the water. Maybe it should be kept a little safer and let the GTHO name really RIP.

And now you wonder about pricing? Well I expect them to go up by 2% ateast. I beleive that all the performance cars need the brake upgrade, and if it's a little extra charge on consumer, then so be it. As for the flagship, I would see soemthing like that only sold in limited numbers, and not really a profit making prospect. I beleive with all that it offers, charging atleast $110,000 is not unfair, and I am sure alot of guys on here would be interested in it!


So in summary, the following is the range and list of optional and standard equiptment I think would be suffucent for the next model Falcon and FPV:

XT: Engine: 182kw/380nm or optional 250kw/480nm twin cam V8. Transmission: 4 speed auto/5 speed manual or T56 with V8 option. Diff: 3.23 open diff or LSD.

Futura: All above excluding v8 and manual options.

XR6 n/a: Engine: 190kw/190nm IL6. Transmission: 4 speed auto/5 speed manual. Brakes: Territory spec. Diff: 3.46 LSD.

Fairmont: Engine: As per XT or optional XR6 or V8. Transmission: 4 speed or 6 speed auto (V8 only option). Brakes: Territory spec. Diff: As per XT and optional LSD 3.23:1.

Fairmont/Fairlane Ghia: XR6 engine or optional XR6T or SOHC V8. Transmission: 4 speed auto or optional 6 speed when optioning either XR6T or V8. Brakes: Territory spec. Diff: 3.46 LSD

Territory: TX: As per XT without V8 option and 3.73 (rwd) and 4.11(awd). TS: As per Faimont excluding V8 option. Ghia: As per Ghia sedans excluding V8 option.

XR6T: Engine: 250kw/460nm Turbo IL6. Transmission: 6 speed manual T56 or 6 speed XF Auto. Brakes: 325(front)/303(rear) Diff: 3.73:1. Wheels: 18x8 with 245/40/18 rubber.

XR8: Engine: 280kw/515nm Quad cam V8. Transmission: As per XR6T (different ratios to match different final drive). Brakes: As per XR6T. Diff: 3.46:1. Wheels: As per XR6T.

F6 Typhoon & Tornado and Territory: 300kw/580nm Turbo IL6. Tranmission: T56 with AP racing twin plate clutch (unavailable on Territory) or ZF 6 speed auto. Brakes: 4 piston Brembos. Diff: 3.73:1. Wheels: 19" with 245/35/19 (front) and 275/35/19 (rear) rubber. Suspension: Koni adjustable option.

GT: Engine: 320kw/550nm Quad Cam V8. Transmission: T56 with AP racing twin plate clutch or ZF Auto. Brakes: 4 piston brembos. Diff: 3.73:1 Wheels: 19" with 245/35/19 (front) and 275/35/19 (rear) rubber. Suspension: Koni adjustable option.

Pursuit: Engine: 320kw/550nm Quad Cam V8. Transmission: T56 with AP racing twin plate clutch or ZF Auto. Brakes: 4 piston brembos. Diff: 3.73:1 Wheels: 19" with 245/35/19 (front) and 275/35/19 (rear) rubber. Suspension: Koni adjustable option.

GT-P: Engine: 320kw/550nm Quad Cam V8. Transmission: T56 with AP racing twin plate clutch or ZF Auto. Brakes: 4 piston brembos. Diff: 3.73:1 Wheels: 19" with 245/35/19 (front) and 275/35/19 (rear) rubber. Suspension: Koni adjustable standard.

Flagship (yet to be named): Engine: 360kw/640nm Quad cam V8. Transmission: T56 with ceramic twin plate clutch or ZF Auto with stronger internals. Brakes: 6 piston (brembo or AP racing). Diff: 3.91:1 Wheels: 19" with 265/35/19 (front) and 295/35/19 (rear) michelin piloot sport rubber. Suspension: Koni adjustables.
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Old 12-25-2004, 02:07   #2 (permalink)
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Re: What do you want to see on the next model Falcon?

Gotta disagree on the autos. Bring on the 5 speeds.

Manuals in Ghias. XR6T donk optional in Ghias and LWB. Get some sort of FPV LWB going on, with a manual option, turbo 6 or V8. Up the power on the FPVs but don't say so. I think 360kw would be going way too far. Maybe 320 on paper for a GT-HO, but more like 360. Keep 290 on paper for the GT but up it to 320 odd.
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Old 12-25-2004, 02:14   #3 (permalink)
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Re: What do you want to see on the next model Falcon?

You disagree on autos? What autos? What 5 speeds are you talklng about? if you're reffering to 5 speed autos, who makes them? The ZF 6 speed I used as an expmple as its a real option to use.
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Old 12-25-2004, 03:21   #5 (permalink)
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Re: What do you want to see on the next model Falcon?

How about some FACTORY PAINTED engine bays. So they things dont turn into rustboxes.

Slight power increase to offset the weight, Stronger Diff thats about it i guess.
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how about a mustang badge on them, im sick of falcons.
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2 stage cruise control. minimum of 5 speeds on all models.
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Re: What do you want to see on the next model Falcon?

make boss 260 engine available in the fairlane/LTD range. more chrome and sparkle on the outside of the fairlane/LTD to make it stand out better.
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Its not what they should put in its what they shouldnt have taken out 351
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Re: What do you want to see on the next model Falcon?

VVT on the BOSS engines.
better brakes (that don't shudder)
better features for the LWB cars, give them something that others don't have.
Get some innovation into them, like Mercedes does with the S class.

other than that i can't say i would change much else
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