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Old 11-02-2003, 22:52   #1 (permalink)
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What is a safe speed? 40??

In the letters to the editor section of the papers, you read every day arguments against people whinging about speed cameras. Their logic is that you dont have to speed, therefore if you dont, you don't get a fine. However, most people will realize the slow speed limits that were in place when the Kennett goverment was in power, and now with the Bracks governement, it is a stupidly ridiculous, slow, 'volvo driver would still get done'! limit, especially with the introduction of 40kph zones, where an add depicts it ok for children to chase a ball on to the road, but a driver doing 50kph is speeding excessively. I have heard people defend that too "Well children dont know any better" I am sorry, thats b/s! Parents should teach their children to use the kerb side door only, and never to chase balls across a road, and if they are too young to comprehend that, they should be holding their hands anyways! what is wrong with todays society? Isnt this just common sense? Its not rocket science.

Let's look at the Victorian Recreational Boating Safety Handbook July 2002 for a better view on speed (until the Labor government can install lots of cameras in the ocean, then put a 2km/h tolerance and tight limits without the need of a speedometer on the boats)
I quote from page 37.

"All vessels (think cars) must travel at a safe speed at all times. A safe speed cannot be expressed as a maximum or minimum number of knots (kph) because it varies with circumstances and conditions. The operator (driver) must always assess the safety of the vessel's (vehicle's) speed. A safe speed is one at which the vessel (vehicle) can be stopped in time to avoid any danger which arises suddenly."

What do you guys think? Sorry it's so long-winded!
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Old 11-02-2003, 23:03   #2 (permalink)
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Re: What is a safe speed? 40??

it's long winded (not) But oh-so-true, and WTF?!?!?! It makes sense, perfectly!
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Old 11-03-2003, 01:09   #3 (permalink)
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Re: What is a safe speed? 40??

Personally , I think that when travelling at a higher speed , the mind makes you pay more attention to your surroundings , than in comparison to travelling at a slower speed . I understand the argument that in a small suburban street ,yeah fair enough (50km speed limit). But my point is that when you're in traffic I think 50km gives you more opportunity to become more distracted on other things , maybe become more relaxed ,lethargic , concentration lapses. I dunno that's my way of thinking.
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Old 11-03-2003, 03:22   #4 (permalink)
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Re: What is a safe speed? 40??

if they were to rely on the drivers perception of conditions and the likes then driving tests would want to be a darn site harder and the penalties for doing anything wrong/dangerous/illegal be much more severe.
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Re: What is a safe speed? 40??

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Let's look at the Victorian Recreational Boating Safety Handbook July 2002 for a better view on speed (until the Labor government can install lots of cameras in the ocean, then put a 2km/h tolerance and tight limits without the need of a speedometer on the boats)
I quote from page 37.

"All vessels (think cars) must travel at a safe speed at all times. A safe speed cannot be expressed as a maximum or minimum number of knots (kph) because it varies with circumstances and conditions. The operator (driver) must always assess the safety of the vessel's (vehicle's) speed. A safe speed is one at which the vessel (vehicle) can be stopped in time to avoid any danger which arises suddenly."
That is PURE GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!! Common sense that nobody would have ANY trouble whatsoever adhering to.

Perhaps we need to flood every road in Vic????
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Old 11-03-2003, 03:45   #6 (permalink)
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Re: What is a safe speed? 40??

nice idea xrsexy, i think sometimes the places they put speed camer's are not right, eg down hills when ya drift over by a few k's
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Re: What is a safe speed? 40??

but also at the same time as you expecting that parents should teach their children proper practices in safety, you cannot expect anyone to do anything when dealing with a mass crowd - because if you expect something - it wont necessarily happen - which is why you have you plan for the scenario to happen - or not.

just because you say parents should train their children to not run out onto the road, that doesn't mean it will happen. likely scenarios of kids running out and a person hitting them will still happen, it shouldnt be the responsibility child (or parent) it really has to be on the person driving the car.

second to that - i dont always agree with it. the wipe off 5 campaign came out on an add that depicted two cars running into a truck - one car doing 60 and the other doing 65 - the same scenario can happen again but they also promote 75 down to 70 - if this happened on a 70 zone road - both would be dead. i don't see the logic - anything is possible.
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When I was a kid, I walked to school.. it was a 60 zone, and people did 70 or 80 most of the time.. a few years later, still living in the same area.. same amount of people.

its a 50 zone, 40 between school hours (when ever they are on certain school days who can tell?), they have a set of traffic lights now (too expensive when I went to school), fenced off bus zone (again too expensive), a under ground tunnel (they locked it up when I was at school 24/7), a peddestrian crossing, foot paths, cycle lanes, bus lights, etc etc etc.. cops now enforce the speed limits too.

Next they will wrap the kids in bubble wrap between the 2 metres between the fenced off gate and the 4wd car door.

Then they will drop the limit to 10 kmph then 5 kmph as they are in other areas. Its funny to see parents walk there kids to there cars which are now very far away because of the traffic generated with all this calming measures, cross more roads, etc. No doubt mean greater danger risk to the kids.

No wonder peak hour now occurs at 2:45-3:15 and is worse in most areas than the post 5 pm shuffle.

Driver decided limits can and do work in many countries. If laws don't have popular support they aren't really laws anymore, they are just forms of unpopular/unfair government control.

The fact that on the waterways you have to be even more concern about the conditions should not be a excuse.

If you think 50, 60 100, 110kmph is what most people most days at most times your a dam fool. People should learn to vary speed limits.

Government should mark certain roads as major arterials and improve them so safe travelling speed is lifted to around a target of 80 kmph. Then they should work on making most major highways/motorways varible speed limits. Thus train people and advise people on whats the best way to travel.
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Re: What is a safe speed? 40??

According to government and the ad campaigns on TV, there is no such thing as safe speeding. Now, how do you define speeding? In it's simplest form, you could say that speeding is going faster than nature intended. The quickest man on the planet runs 100m in 10 seconds. That's 600m per minute, or 36km/h. So 40km/h in a car IS speeding!

Now, back to point of this thread - i drive a boat and a car. Usually, there are a lot fewer boats on the water than there are cars on the road.

Our boat is not the quickest thing around (17 footer with 115 hp motor), but it's top speed is still around 39 knots ("only" around 75km/h). I can tell you, on the water, in a boat, 75km/h is fast. But, this speed can only be held for any period of time on calm water (such as a sheltered lake or river). Out in the open ocean, we are lucky to be able to do 25 knots comfortably, and if the seas are really big, 10 knots is probably approporiate. On the water, you also have waves and current working against you, so to maintain any forward momentum, you sometimes need to go a little quicker than at other times in the same patch of water. These variables are why there are no real speed limits on the water (apart from the fact that you would need really long poles to put them on. lol)

On the road, in a car, 75km/h is not so fast (in good conditions, etc). However, on a wet day through a 25km/h hairpin, 75 would be too fast.

Enough ranting, my point is that the conditions on the water are a lot different to conditions on the roads. I'm sure venice has speed limits! You cannot take the rules for one and apply to the other (otherwise, we would all be passing any head-on traffic to the right, instead of the left).
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Old 11-03-2003, 06:05   #10 (permalink)
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yeah i'll agree with that
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