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Old 12-08-2005, 04:13   #1 (permalink)
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taurus owners list your cars faults that you have experienced inc km etc. be honest i want to see if these are consistent faults or random breakages/breakdowns. little or big? be descriptive as you like>
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i got the car in july its a 2002 taurus, first things first, the door ajar light keeps comming on at random times, the check engine light came on about 2 weeks after i bought it, that was the coil pack that went out, a nice 100 dollars there. THen about a week later the cel came on again. that was an oxygen sensor that went out, nice chunk of change there too. then the blower motor went out, and now im sitting in 2 degree weather with no heat, all the electrical is ****ed up and im sooo pissed off at the car.

I have narrowed the problem down to it being a ford
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Old 12-09-2005, 15:18   #3 (permalink)
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Well, I wouldn't narrow the problem down to your summation, but I will say the Taurus/Sable has had some problems. Over in America, we've had Tauruses and Sables since 1986. Generally, the newer the model year, the better the car is. The only years of exception are the first couple years of a redesign, like 1992, 1996 or 2000 because there is so many changes. I will make this reply brief for now by listing some MAJOR problems.
--1988-95 vehicles with 3.8L engine-head gasket failures. Only 94-95 models had a brief recall.
--AXOD/AXOD-E/AX4S transmissions had an issue with the forward clutch piston up to around 1996. The park rod can also break on AXOD trans if abused. The AXOD was used from 1986-90, was then modified for electronic controls and redesignated the AXOD-E from 1991-92, was then slightly modified and renamed the AX4S from 1993-around 2003 when it was discontinued from use in the Taurus/Sable. My uncle once had a 91 Sable w/ a 3.0L Vulcan, and it had the AXOD-E trans. It eventually needed an overhaul, at 100000 miles.
--The AX4N, which is a totally different trans. than the AX4S, was introduced in 1994, and is used to this day. It was renamed the 4F50N in 2000. From its introduction to 1998, this trans also had an issue with forward clutch pistons failing.
--Front subframe fasteners rotting out on 1986-98? models. A recall was issued for this.
--1992-95 models seem to have a problem with exhaust systems rotting out even though they have always been made out of stainless steel. It usually is the muffler that has the problem, either it leaks or just gets noisy.
Those are the most major problems. I can't think of any more at this time but I might think of one more I have forgotten. I will also chime in on some minor problems soon.
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Just thought of the last few major things last night. Here they are...
--Heard from another Ford site a small number of 2002-03 models with a 3.0L Duratec had a casting issue-the sand used in casting the engine block was not adequtely removed and resulted in blown engines-Ford will warranty or goodwill warranty any vehicle that has this problem as long as it has been serviced regularly.
--The rear disc brakes on some models can sieze and cause the brake pads to overheat and set a small fire. Over time the calipers are exposed to the elements and the eventually sieze. Another thing that can happen is if the rear parking brake cables are bad they will jamb applied and cause the same concern. You usually can tell a bad cable by a bulging housing. This is rust and dirt in the bulge. The parking brake utilizes the rear calipers as a parking brake, rather than having a seperate drum system in the rear rotors hat. Rear disc brakes were introduced in 1989, on the Taurus SHO. In 1990, rear disc brakes became available on any car with the new option of ABS. (It was standard on the Taurus SHO) In 1996, when the Taurus/Sable was redesigned, all wagons had rear disc brakes standard, without ABS. It has stayed that way to this day, with ABS available. Sedans only got rear disc brakes if the vehicle had ABS. Early 1999, the standard non-ABS rear drum brakes were modified to accept an ABS wheel sensor, eliminating the rear disc brakes when ABS was ordered. This has been the setup to this day. The rear disc brake issue on these vehicles is somewhat common, but not as widespread as the rear disc brake setup used on early ninetie's General Motors front wheel drive cars such as the Lumina.
--On 1991-95 3.0L Vulcan and 1988-95 3.8L engines engine mount failures. The engine mounts were filled with hydralic oil to further quell engine vibrations. I'm not talking about the shock/dampers mounted to the shock towers on other models or years. I don't think the Taurus SHO used these mount because they had at least 3 of the shock/dampers. What would happen to the mount is that they would stretch and eventually tear, causing a loud bang when accelerating from a stop. I have heard they make solid replacements for these however, doing them is very involved on a 3.8L engine. There is more room to do them on a 3.0L Vulcan.
--1986-87 Tauruses with a 2.5L HSC or a 3.0L Vulcan had head gasket problems. They were remidied immeadiately by Ford.
--Spring rot-out-in salt belt states.-There have been recalls for front spring rot-out sporadically on different model years. If the springs are not cracked or rotted out, Ford installs spring shields under the springs on the struts. If the spring has cracked or shattered, the springs are replaced, along with anything that was damaged by the shattering spring, which is usually 85% of the time. This is dangerous I will admit. My uncle had a LF spring break. Luckily it was when he was only backing out of the driveway!!! It damaged the LF tire, the upper spring mount and the LF Wheel Speed Sensor. Ford paid for the damages. This only happens on models with a recall. I heard sporadically heard of rear springs shattering.
These are all of the MAJOR problems on these vehicles. I will touch upon the MINOR problems next time.
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WElll,,,,
Door open light on, dome light stays on, pullies siezed up and belt snapped, cam sensor - this is a big prob
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WD 40 in the latch then closing and opening the door several times will fix the dome light. Idler pulleys are easy to replace and make a lot of noise for a long time before they go.
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taurus owners list your cars faults that you have experienced inc km etc. be honest i want to see if these are consistent faults or random breakages/breakdowns. little or big? be descriptive as you like>
I have a 2000 ford taurus base model. My car about 65,000 miles started to have trouble with transmission AX4S. I would be getting thunks by going through the gears, coming to stop it would thumb down and jult taking off. Also there is was a delay while in drive and coming to a stop and selecting R.Also the rear axle or something moans when there is a heavy load in the car. Back seats are uncomfortable for when there are more than three people in the car due to end of seats are not completely flat but round in a c or U like shape. Gas is ok in this car nothing fancy, i only used prem in the engine and got nothing good from it. Breaks warp quickly and i find it not smooth. Oh the trans broke down at 85,000 miles forward cluth piston snaped when i was leaving the grocery store there was a jult and a pop. Reverse still works anyhow. I find the taurus not a good car for any type of work trips or long drives here and there. You wont see a taurus used in everyday police duty in a city environment, but we can easily find a Impala or stock intrepid with no problems in the field. It seems like these generation of taurus were built on a ford budget from the tires down the to shocks. Then in 28 degree weather the heater stop working and then after slamming on the brakes it came back with heat after 45minutes of driving. Rear window is stuck or motor is gone in it. Dash bulb blown behind 60MPH mark. Ford claims the transmission is Electronic controlled and adjust to the driver. BUll crap this trans shifts exactly the same ever time and there is no adjustments done by the computer, the computer is in Read ONly mode. Seat belts retract when they want to. Sometimes the Check engine like would come on with error about EGR vavle sticking. Read post 39 you will see.

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With our cars its no fun, we seem to be stuck in band-aid land. Those mopar guys are having all the fun with base model stock stuff, I wish i got a mopar now UGGGGGGG!

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Ford should of scraped the design of the AX4S trans back in 1992. These transmission are only good for old granny. Junk the 3.0 vulcan and be updto date with everyone else and have a standard 189-200HP engine like everyone else has in their base model. At the value and class the taurus is in everyone will come out better with a Chrysler or chevy vehicle and our resell values you hold more than this ford.
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see i told you the car is a peice
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If you haven't noticed, all of the stuff that Jfargus is saying is going wrong is at high mileage, when stuff usually starts going wrong with any 5 year old car!!! By the way Jfargus, I am an ASE certified technician at a "5 Star" Dodge dealer and if you hate Fords so much, wait to you get a Dodge. Although the quality of our vehicles is better than years past, there are still numerous problems with our vehicles. Want the equivilant of a Taurus, than that would be a Stratus or the discontinued Intrepid. Both of these cars have even worse problems with front brakes. The rotors either warp or rot out. How about the transmission solenoid switch valve issue on both of these cars. How about the delayed engagement issue going into gear on a cold start, which the fix is to remove the transmission and replace the front pump. How about the shrinking door opening body weatherstrips on the Intrepid. How about the water leaks on the Intrepid. How about neglecting your oil changes on your Stratus or Intrepid with a 2.7L V6 and having your engine blow up at 28000 mi.. Need I say more... By the way, have you ever changed your transmission fluid on your Taurus Jfargus??? A note about Police Package Intrepids, they have problems with the brake fluid overheating from severe use and causing an underhood fire.
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If you haven't noticed, all of the stuff that Jfargus is saying is going wrong is at high mileage, when stuff usually starts going wrong with any 5 year old car!!! By the way Jfargus, I am an ASE certified technician at a "5 Star" Dodge dealer and if you hate Fords so much, wait to you get a Dodge. Although the quality of our vehicles is better than years past, there are still numerous problems with our vehicles. Want the equivilant of a Taurus, than that would be a Stratus or the discontinued Intrepid. Both of these cars have even worse problems with front brakes. The rotors either warp or rot out. How about the transmission solenoid switch valve issue on both of these cars. How about the delayed engagement issue going into gear on a cold start, which the fix is to remove the transmission and replace the front pump. How about the shrinking door opening body weatherstrips on the Intrepid. How about the water leaks on the Intrepid. How about neglecting your oil changes on your Stratus or Intrepid with a 2.7L V6 and having your engine blow up at 28000 mi.. Need I say more... By the way, have you ever changed your transmission fluid on your Taurus Jfargus??? A note about Police Package Intrepids, they have problems with the brake fluid overheating from severe use and causing an underhood fire.
i see you say high mileage thats fair enough to say stateside but downunder our cars tend to stay on the road to a rough average of 200,000 km and some alot longer. as pricing is alot dearer we tend to hang onto them.
but i have repaired mtrs with t/chain failures with less than 50000km + numerous electrical faults and autos i wont even get involved with i refer them to the yellow pages as i wouldnt wisha auto rebuild with warranty on any of my fellow coleagues shops. and the prices are double plus to start over a std style box. i never like to bag a car and most are good when well maintained but with a taurus even overservicing and checking wont help this poorly engineered vehicle
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