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Old 12-06-2005, 11:01   #1 (permalink)
Sod the Builder
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Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg

Gotta colleague who has above car and it was only firing on 3 cylinders.
Local garage did new ignition coil and HT leads.
Since then she has been aware of vibration noise and it has cut out a few
times. Returned to garage who did a test drive, could eventually hear noise
and the car did cut out. Cuts out when warm, not just from cold. Garage have
spent 1.5 hours today trying to isolate vibration noise - it is plasticky
and seems to be related to revs. He has tie-wrapped a few possible bits but
still can't find it. Says that it is nothing dangerous.

BUT the guy says that the oiled is black and overfilled - turns out she got
a "litre of oil for a modern engine" and poured it all in a few months ago.
She has owned the car for 8 months and not sure when it was last serviced.
Methinks that his quoted price for an oil./filter change of 49 is a bit
steep - but it needs Ford Zetec oil, 5 - 40w apparently. (local Ford dealers
do it for 45).

So . . . I think that it needs an oil change anyway as it has only been
used for local journeys. Any ideas tho on what could be causing the cutting
out problem please? Garage guy suggested that cutting out could be caused by
poor oil flow when cold????? Never heard of that myself.



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Old 12-06-2005, 12:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg

In message <-pydnWHJD8pWSgjeSa8jmw@karoo.co.uk>, Sod the Builder
<SodtheBuilder@canhefixithotmail.co.uk> writes
[snip]
>
>BUT the guy says that the oiled is black and overfilled - turns out she got
>a "litre of oil for a modern engine" and poured it all in a few months ago.
>She has owned the car for 8 months and not sure when it was last serviced.
>Methinks that his quoted price for an oil./filter change of 49 is a bit
>steep - but it needs Ford Zetec oil, 5 - 40w apparently. (local Ford dealers
>do it for 45).
>

It needs to have 5w-30 oil. I pay 12 for fords own brand (Formula E)
although some dealers charge up to 20 for it. It will need an oil
filter too.... about 6 for a genuine Ford one (recommended).

>So . . . I think that it needs an oil change anyway as it has only been
>used for local journeys. Any ideas tho on what could be causing the cutting
>out problem please? Garage guy suggested that cutting out could be caused by
>poor oil flow when cold????? Never heard of that myself.
>

What brand of coil and leads were fitted? They need to be genuine
Motorcraft items. Its possible that the fuel pump is playing up. You can
check for error codes on the EEC by holding the trip button down while
turning the key to position 2 (the one before the start position)

You then have a display on the digital dash. Press the trip button to
cycle through various figures until you see "DTC" press again to display
the codes. "9202" and "9204" are the codes relating to fuel pump
failure.


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Old 12-06-2005, 12:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg

I reckon you've got sticking valves due to using the wrong oil.


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Old 12-06-2005, 12:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg

In message <KOydnVZ2qNkZeQjeRVnytQ@pipex.net>, SteveB
<sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk.?.invalid> writes
>I reckon you've got sticking valves due to using the wrong oil.
>
>

Nah, that was only with the early Zetec E's with the hydraulic lifters.
This is a Zetec SE with solid lifters.

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Old 12-06-2005, 13:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg


"Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2PgMxpCfdelDFwZ6@10.0.0.3...
> In message <KOydnVZ2qNkZeQjeRVnytQ@pipex.net>, SteveB
> <sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk.?.invalid> writes
>>I reckon you've got sticking valves due to using the wrong oil.
>>
>>

> Nah, that was only with the early Zetec E's with the hydraulic lifters.
> This is a Zetec SE with solid lifters.


The Zetec-E had solid lifters. The Zetec had hydraulic.


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Old 12-06-2005, 14:01   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg

Sandy Nuts wrote:

>
> "Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:2PgMxpCfdelDFwZ6@10.0.0.3...
>> In message <KOydnVZ2qNkZeQjeRVnytQ@pipex.net>, SteveB
>> <sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk.?.invalid> writes
>>>I reckon you've got sticking valves due to using the wrong oil.
>>>
>>>

>> Nah, that was only with the early Zetec E's with the hydraulic lifters.
>> This is a Zetec SE with solid lifters.

>
> The Zetec-E had solid lifters. The Zetec had hydraulic...

....but was never fitted to a Focus.

Early Zetec-E's (as fitted to Escorts et al) originally used hydraulic
lifters. All Focus petrol engines have solid lifters. (Well, this side of
the pond at least).

Chris


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Old 12-06-2005, 14:01   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg

In message <Pomlf.3840$iz3.3171@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Sandy Nuts
<noone@home.com> writes
>
>"Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:2PgMxpCfdelDFwZ6@10.0.0.3...
>> In message <KOydnVZ2qNkZeQjeRVnytQ@pipex.net>, SteveB
>> <sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk.?.invalid> writes
>>>I reckon you've got sticking valves due to using the wrong oil.
>>>
>>>

>> Nah, that was only with the early Zetec E's with the hydraulic lifters.
>> This is a Zetec SE with solid lifters.

>
>The Zetec-E had solid lifters. The Zetec had hydraulic.
>
>

No, the original Silvertop Zetec E (1.6, 1.8, 2.0 Escort, Mk1 Mondeo)
had hydraulic lifters. The later Blacktop Zetec E (1.8 & 2.0 Mk2 Mondeo,
Focus) had solid lifters.

I know what you are saying. Some folks only refer to the Blacktop as the
Zetec E but if you look at the Ford TIS CD, it refers to the earlier
Silvertop as a Zetec E also.

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Old 12-06-2005, 14:01   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg


"Chris Whelan" <cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Sandy Nuts wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:2PgMxpCfdelDFwZ6@10.0.0.3...
>>> In message <KOydnVZ2qNkZeQjeRVnytQ@pipex.net>, SteveB
>>> <sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk.?.invalid> writes
>>>>I reckon you've got sticking valves due to using the wrong oil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nah, that was only with the early Zetec E's with the hydraulic lifters.
>>> This is a Zetec SE with solid lifters.

>>
>> The Zetec-E had solid lifters. The Zetec had hydraulic...

> ...but was never fitted to a Focus.
>
> Early Zetec-E's (as fitted to Escorts et al) originally used hydraulic
> lifters. All Focus petrol engines have solid lifters. (Well, this side of
> the pond at least).
>
> Chris
>
>
> --
> Remove prejudice to reply.



Early mk1's had hydrolic lifters and prone to sticky valves,known as zetec
engines
Early mk2's had the same zetec engine then 97'ish got changed to the
zetec-e=solid lifters and no more sticking valves,
V or W-plate black top introduced with the duratech engine and solid
lifters.
Go by what it says on the cam cover as a referance.


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Old 12-06-2005, 14:01   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Focus Zetec oil & cutting out problem, 1.6 V Reg


"Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <Pomlf.3840$iz3.3171@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Sandy Nuts
> <noone@home.com> writes
>>
>>"Paul Giverin" <paul@giverin.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:2PgMxpCfdelDFwZ6@10.0.0.3...
>>> In message <KOydnVZ2qNkZeQjeRVnytQ@pipex.net>, SteveB
>>> <sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk.?.invalid> writes
>>>>I reckon you've got sticking valves due to using the wrong oil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nah, that was only with the early Zetec E's with the hydraulic lifters.
>>> This is a Zetec SE with solid lifters.

>>
>>The Zetec-E had solid lifters. The Zetec had hydraulic.
>>
>>

> No, the original Silvertop Zetec E (1.6, 1.8, 2.0 Escort, Mk1 Mondeo) had
> hydraulic lifters. The later Blacktop Zetec E (1.8 & 2.0 Mk2 Mondeo,
> Focus) had solid lifters.
>
> I know what you are saying. Some folks only refer to the Blacktop as the
> Zetec E but if you look at the Ford TIS CD, it refers to the earlier
> Silvertop as a Zetec E also.


The Zetec-E was introduced post 97, spotted with "16v Zetec" in the rocker
cover, and the inlet pipe going straight to the throttle body. This had a
silver top.

The Zetec prior to that with the hydraulic lifters had "DOHC 16v" cast into
the rocker cover, and the inlet manifold/throttle body consisting of a big
"EFi" cast block, with an inlet chamber running from the nearside front of
the bay, along to the middle then up the centre of the rocker cover.

Black top Es weren't found in Escorts, just Mk2 Mondeos and Foci.


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Old 12-06-2005, 14:01   #10 (permalink)
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"Chris Whelan" <cawhelan@prejudicentlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Early Zetec-E's (as fitted to Escorts et al) originally used hydraulic
> lifters. All Focus petrol engines have solid lifters. (Well, this side of
> the pond at least).


The silver top Zetec was fitted to Escorts / Mk1 Mondeos from 1992 -
1997ish. The Zetec-E was fitted to post 97 Escorts, Foci and Mk2 Mondeos.

See my post to Paul.


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