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Old 06-24-2005, 09:01   #1 (permalink)
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tire wear Focus 2001

I have 140,000 km on my wagon and find it pretty good but sure goes through
tires. I rotate every 20,000 km and still get flat spots after about 40 km.

Sears has 130 km warranty on their Voyager tire and claim its alignment,
Ford checks alignment and twice now says its okay.

So I put up with vibration or buy new tires every 40 000km. I heard there
was problem with back end of Focus and there was recall but have never
seen detail so could press Ford to do something.

Garry


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Old 06-24-2005, 17:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: tire wear Focus 2001

I have a similar problem but mine is due to my driving style, when turning
left from a stop I'll usually floor it and over time have developed outside
baldness on the left-front tire.



"GO" <garyowen@magma.ca> wrote in message
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>I have 140,000 km on my wagon and find it pretty good but sure goes through
> tires. I rotate every 20,000 km and still get flat spots after about 40
> km.
>
> Sears has 130 km warranty on their Voyager tire and claim its alignment,
> Ford checks alignment and twice now says its okay.
>
> So I put up with vibration or buy new tires every 40 000km. I heard there
> was problem with back end of Focus and there was recall but have never
> seen detail so could press Ford to do something.
>
> Garry
>
>



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Old 06-25-2005, 03:01   #3 (permalink)
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Re: tire wear Focus 2001



GO wrote:
>
> I have 140,000 km on my wagon and find it pretty good but sure goes through
> tires. I rotate every 20,000 km and still get flat spots after about 40 km.


I had the same problem with the factory Goodyears on my 2003 ZX3.

You need to rotate the tires more often, more like half the distance
then what you have done in the past.

> Sears has 130 km warranty on their Voyager tire and claim its alignment,
> Ford checks alignment and twice now says its okay.


Take it to a shop that has a rack designed four wheel alignment.
When the shop does the alignment the shop should provide you with
a printout of the of the before and after alignment setting. The
same printout will also have figures showing the the factory
tolerance settings camber, caster, and toein. A correct alignment
will be within the factory tolerance settings.

> So I put up with vibration or buy new tires every 40 000km. I heard there
> was problem with back end of Focus and there was recall but have never
> seen detail so could press Ford to do something.


By rotating the tires more often you should get at least 3 times
the distance out of them.

My ZX3 has over 200,000 miles 321,869 km on it, I only got about
40,000 miles 64,373 km out of the factory Goodyears. The second
set went over 80,000 miles 128,748 km, the third set still has
about 40,000 miles 64,373 km to go before I replace them.

Both of the sets of replacement tires were not high priced high
mileage top brand tires.

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Old 06-25-2005, 18:01   #4 (permalink)
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Re: tire wear Focus 2001

GO wrote:
> I have 140,000 km on my wagon and find it pretty good but sure goes through
> tires. I rotate every 20,000 km and still get flat spots after about 40 km.
>
> Sears has 130 km warranty on their Voyager tire and claim its alignment,
> Ford checks alignment and twice now says its okay.
>
> So I put up with vibration or buy new tires every 40 000km. I heard there
> was problem with back end of Focus and there was recall but have never
> seen detail so could press Ford to do something.
>
> Garry
>
>

Focus has negative camber in rear by design, just like the Jetta. This
results in inside rear tire wear. Rotate frequently.

One question. Why is it tires don't seem to last as long as they used to?

Ron
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Old 06-26-2005, 01:01   #5 (permalink)
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Re: tire wear Focus 2001



Rockin Ronnie wrote:
>
> GO wrote:
> > I have 140,000 km on my wagon and find it pretty good but sure goes through
> > tires. I rotate every 20,000 km and still get flat spots after about 40 km.
> >
> > Sears has 130 km warranty on their Voyager tire and claim its alignment,
> > Ford checks alignment and twice now says its okay.
> >
> > So I put up with vibration or buy new tires every 40 000km. I heard there
> > was problem with back end of Focus and there was recall but have never
> > seen detail so could press Ford to do something.
> >
> > Garry
> >
> >

> Focus has negative camber in rear by design, just like the Jetta. This
> results in inside rear tire wear. Rotate frequently.
>
> One question. Why is it tires don't seem to last as long as they used to?


In my experience "You get what you pay for".

However you can get a hell lot more miles out of a set of tires
then what the manufacture specifies with frequent rotating and
proper inflation pressure.

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Old 06-26-2005, 01:01   #6 (permalink)
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In alt.autos.ford.focus John R Cambron <*cambronj@chesapeake.net*>:


> Rockin Ronnie wrote:
>>
>> GO wrote:
>> > I have 140,000 km on my wagon and find it pretty good but sure goes through
>> > tires. I rotate every 20,000 km and still get flat spots after about 40 km.
>> >
>> > Sears has 130 km warranty on their Voyager tire and claim its alignment,
>> > Ford checks alignment and twice now says its okay.
>> >
>> > So I put up with vibration or buy new tires every 40 000km. I heard there
>> > was problem with back end of Focus and there was recall but have never
>> > seen detail so could press Ford to do something.
>> >
>> > Garry
>> >
>> >

>> Focus has negative camber in rear by design, just like the Jetta. This
>> results in inside rear tire wear. Rotate frequently.
>>
>> One question. Why is it tires don't seem to last as long as they used to?


> In my experience "You get what you pay for".


> However you can get a hell lot more miles out of a set of tires
> then what the manufacture specifies with frequent rotating and
> proper inflation pressure.


Agree with the proper air pressure, one of the most overlooked
things and heavily influencing fuel usage. "Tire rotation" is an
urban legend, the best tires belong to the rear axle.

Personally found Pirelli P6000 an utter piece of crap on my
Focus, driving wasn't that bad but the noise a pita.

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Old 06-26-2005, 10:01   #7 (permalink)
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Michael Heiming wrote:
> Agree with the proper air pressure, one of the most overlooked
> things and heavily influencing fuel usage. "Tire rotation" is an
> urban legend, the best tires belong to the rear axle.


Michael, I'd disagree with you. Especially on a FWD, the best tires
belong up front. They handle the steering, the acceleration, and 70%
of the braking.

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Old 06-26-2005, 11:01   #8 (permalink)
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In alt.autos.ford.focus Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:
>> Agree with the proper air pressure, one of the most overlooked
>> things and heavily influencing fuel usage. "Tire rotation" is an
>> urban legend, the best tires belong to the rear axle.


> Michael, I'd disagree with you. Especially on a FWD, the best tires
> belong up front. They handle the steering, the acceleration, and 70%
> of the braking.


You can disagree as much as you like, still the better tires
belong to the rear axle!

Perhaps you believe Michelin more then me:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/auto/au...b_pqr_neuf.jsp

If front tires lose street contact not a big problem, but if rear
tires lose it, you are almost lost.

Good luck

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Old 06-26-2005, 15:01   #9 (permalink)
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Michael Heiming wrote:
> In alt.autos.ford.focus Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>:
> > Michael, I'd disagree with you. Especially on a FWD, the best tires
> > belong up front. They handle the steering, the acceleration, and 70%
> > of the braking.


> You can disagree as much as you like, still the better tires
> belong to the rear axle!
>
> Perhaps you believe Michelin more then me:
>
> http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/auto/au...b_pqr_neuf.jsp


I do believe Michelin more than you. But will you indulge me stating
my opinion?

> If front tires lose street contact not a big problem, but if rear
> tires lose it, you are almost lost.


Perhaps it comes from growing up driving RWD in snow country, but I am
not "almost lost" if the rear wheel lose contact. Been there, done
that, come back for more.

And maybe for the average driver, having the better tires in back is
the preferred solution. For me, I'll continue to put the best tires in
front. In my driving, the situation that is the most demanding for
maintaining tire/street contact is the panic stop. In which case,
having the best tires up front decreases the stopping distance.

In my other car, a big 1991 Olds wagon that weighs 4,400 pounds and is
19 feet long, it's fairly easy to lock up the back tires while making a
hard stop. [An aside: my 1975 Fiat 124 Sport Coupe had
variable-proportionment braking, with progessively less braking to the
rear rotors when stopping harder. When is the Big 2 1/2 going to catch
up to this?] I am able to steer and keep the sliding back end of the
car behind me while stopping.

> Good luck


Thanks. The same to you.

P.S. I expect folks to pay more attention to Michelin than to me.

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Old 06-26-2005, 16:01   #10 (permalink)
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In alt.autos.ford.focus Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>:
> Michael Heiming wrote:
>> In alt.autos.ford.focus Tony Wesley <tonywesley@gmail.com>:
>> > Michael, I'd disagree with you. Especially on a FWD, the best tires
>> > belong up front. They handle the steering, the acceleration, and 70%
>> > of the braking.


>> You can disagree as much as you like, still the better tires
>> belong to the rear axle!
>>
>> Perhaps you believe Michelin more then me:
>>
>> http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/auto/au...b_pqr_neuf.jsp


> I do believe Michelin more than you. But will you indulge me stating
> my opinion?


>> If front tires lose street contact not a big problem, but if rear
>> tires lose it, you are almost lost.


> Perhaps it comes from growing up driving RWD in snow country, but I am
> not "almost lost" if the rear wheel lose contact. Been there, done
> that, come back for more.


Ops, sorry I almost forgot that >80% of people in this ng have at
least the driving experience and knowledge of Michael Schumacher.

[..]

> P.S. I expect folks to pay more attention to Michelin than to me.


Wouldn't bet on it, see above for reasons.

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