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FPRXR-6 · 06-29-2003, 06:40

M. Schumacher was running 2nd until Montoya punted him into the gravel.

Montoya, go back to Champcars you d!ckhead!!

1. 4 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1h34'43"622 Km/h 2
2. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M + 0'16"821 195.056 Km/h 2
3. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B + 0'39"673 194.277 Km/h 2
4. 8 ALONSO Renault M + 1'05"731 193.397 Km/h 2
5. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B + 1'06"162 193.382 Km/h 2
6. 17 BUTTON BAR Honda B 1 lap(s) 2
7. 9 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1 lap(s) 2
8. 10 FRENTZEN Sauber Petronas B 1 lap(s) 3
9. 15 PIZZONIA Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 3
10. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 2
11. 11 FISICHELLA ****** Ford B 2 lap(s) 4
12. 18 WILSON Minardi Cosworth B 2 lap(s) 2
13. 12 FIRMAN ****** Ford B 2 lap(s) 3
14. 19 VERSTAPPEN Minardi Cosworth B 3 lap(s) 2
15. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 4 lap(s) 2
16. 21 DA MATTA Toyota M 7 lap(s) 3
17. 16 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 9 lap(s) 2
18. 7 TRULLI Renault M 23 lap(s) 1
19. 20 PANIS Toyota M 23 lap(s) 2
20. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 35 lap(s) 1

Fankster_V · 06-29-2003, 07:15

Good race by Ralf, should quieten his critics for a while.
Least Mclaren didnt score any points, suffer Ron.

Bridgestone need to lift their game.

Course us Ferrari/Minardi fans know the Schu isnt above any rules, but when u have to cope with the Pommy media bias makes u a bit defensive.

Thought u Australians loved bagging the Poms and beating them at every sport, why support their F1 teams?

jemmex · 06-29-2003, 15:13

Umm ...where did you get those results from?
Mark Webber was 6th!
Here are the official results from
www.formula1.com

1 4 Ralf Schumacher Williams-BMW 60 1:34:43.622 3 10
2 3 Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW 60 +16.8 secs 4 8
3 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 60 +39.6 secs 5 6
4 8 Fernando Alonso Renault 60 +65.7 secs 8 5
5 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 60 +64.3 secs 2 4
6 14 Mark Webber Jaguar -Cosworth 59 +1 Lap 11 3
7 17 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 59 +1 Lap 12 2
8 9 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-Petronas 59 +1 Lap 20 1
9 10 Heinz-Harald Frentzen Sauber-Petronas 59 +1 Lap 15
10 15 Antonio Pizzonia Jaguar -Cosworth 59 +1 Lap 16
11 12 Ralph Firman ******-Ford 58 +2 Lap 14
12 11 Giancarlo Fisichella ******-Ford 58 +2 Lap 13
13 18 Justin Wilson Minardi-Cosworth 58 +2 Lap 19
14 19 Jos Verstappen Minardi-Cosworth 57 +3 Lap 18
15 5 David Coulthard McLaren-Mercedes 56 +4 Lap 9
Ret 21 Cristiano da Matta Toyota 53 +7 Lap 10
Ret 16 Jacques Villeneuve BAR-Honda 51 +9 Lap 17
Ret 7 Jarno Trulli Renault 37 +23 Laps 6
Ret 20 Olivier Panis Toyota 37 +23 Laps 7
Ret 6 Kimi R�ikk�nen McLaren-Mercedes 25 +35 Laps 1

marine1 · 06-29-2003, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by FPRXR-6

M. Schumacher was running 2nd until Montoya punted him into the gravel.

Montoya, go back to Champcars you d!ckhead!!

1. 4 R.SCHUMACHER Williams BMW M 1h34'43"622 Km/h 2
2. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M + 0'16"821 195.056 Km/h 2
3. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B + 0'39"673 194.277 Km/h 2
4. 8 ALONSO Renault M + 1'05"731 193.397 Km/h 2
5. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B + 1'06"162 193.382 Km/h 2
6. 17 BUTTON BAR Honda B 1 lap(s) 2
7. 9 HEIDFELD Sauber Petronas B 1 lap(s) 2
8. 10 FRENTZEN Sauber Petronas B 1 lap(s) 3
9. 15 PIZZONIA Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 3
10. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1 lap(s) 2
11. 11 FISICHELLA ****** Ford B 2 lap(s) 4
12. 18 WILSON Minardi Cosworth B 2 lap(s) 2
13. 12 FIRMAN ****** Ford B 2 lap(s) 3
14. 19 VERSTAPPEN Minardi Cosworth B 3 lap(s) 2
15. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 4 lap(s) 2
16. 21 DA MATTA Toyota M 7 lap(s) 3
17. 16 VILLENEUVE BAR Honda B 9 lap(s) 2
18. 7 TRULLI Renault M 23 lap(s) 1
19. 20 PANIS Toyota M 23 lap(s) 2
20. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 35 lap(s) 1

Errrr....can we be any more biased here?? JPM had every right to overtake and would have done so anyway, and also left Schu more than enough space to come out clean. MS spun due to his own mistake, not JPMs. I'm absolutely sick to death and disgusted with all this "MS can do no wrong" attitude of some people. Its exactly like the "Holden and Skaife can do no wrong" attitude of the one-eyed Holden idiots!!! Grow up people!

XR6VCT · 06-29-2003, 16:35

marine1: You are dead right! That maneuver by JPM will go down as one of the great all time overtaking maneuvers. Schumacher showed JPM the outside and JPM was good enough to be able to take it. He gave MS enough room. As JPM said himself �I can't give him all the track".

FPRXR-6: Did you actually watch that incident? I know you dislike JPM (I have seen you whine about him on FF before) however there is no way Montoya punted him off into the gravel.

I hate to break it to you FPRXR-6 (and all other one eyed Ferrari / MS fans out there), but MS is not a god and people are allowed to overtake him (well apart from Barrichello). I also think that as KR, JPM and FA get more experienced it�s also going to happen more often as well.

So as Marine1 said, perhaps you should grow up.

XR6VCT · 06-29-2003, 17:04

Try downloading this video of the incident from www.ukf1.net - http://www.watkinsons.tele2.co.uk/az...rd_Montoya.mpg

Watch the overhead replay of this incident. You will notice that when MS starts to spin he has a fair bit of track (plus all the curb) on his inside. As you can see from this video JPM did not shunt MS off the track. MS simply botched up.

Perhaps next time before criticizing a driver that �dares to overtake the great MS� you might want to get the facts right.

You might also want to see what 'the great man' himself has to say about the incident

Quote:

"It was a pure racing incident, I'd have done exactly the same thing."

- Source:I don't blame Montoya for collision, says Schumacher (F1-live.com)

Bluedriver · 06-29-2003, 18:34

Oh come on as if "that move will go down as one of the all time great passes " my god thats a joke !!!

JPM braked latter and stayed the outside line, MS stuffed up thats it.
MS was never going to be able to hold off JPM (and I'm sure he knew it) the Williams were a much better package this last weekend and very good luck to them.

The season is hotting up, this is great.

XR6HP01 · 06-29-2003, 18:55

Bluedriver is right: its just a late breaking manouver.... thats what i thought at the time and heard the ITV commentators going on about how good it was.... anyway, i was just happy that it was MS in the gravel and not JPM... every time i see MS off-track i get a smile on my face: ever since those days back at Adelaide with Damon Hill.... Good work Williams, the championship is far from over!

XR6VCT · 06-29-2003, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

Oh come on as if "that move will go down as one of the all time great passes " my god thats a joke !!!
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LOL Okay I might have gone a bit over the top with that comment. However it was one awesome maneuver and it has been a long time since there has been an overtaking maneuver like that in Formula 1. It's near impossible to go around the outside of another car in fomula one these days.

DRU842 · 06-29-2003, 19:21

Will reserve my judgement on the incident until I see my tape at home. Interesting that MS & Todt are not complaining at all; just Brawn getting some kicks in!!
Can I just say, this is a Ford Forum after all, WHOOO to Jaguar; Mark's best finish of the season & both cars home, in what would have been the points if not for Jungle Boy's penalty!!