Parity Debate - Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars

Luke Plaizier · 03-18-2002, 03:32

If anyone who is already a fellow Conrod member at www.conrod.com.au is passionate about Ford Australia racing in the V8 Supercar series, join me in bringing the parity debate back into full swing.

A category formula designed to spread race wins evenly across two brands, yet results in Ford coming no better than 4th in the championship since 1998, is a fundamentally flawed formula.

People in high places do read the Conrod and FordForums. I think a fundamental shift in the parity formula is needed to bring equality back to the series.

Lukeyson

FM · 03-18-2002, 03:50

Moved to the pits.. :s4

ebxr8240 · 03-18-2002, 04:10

Yes I agree.I remember when the Stone Brothers/D.J.R /G Seaton won everything Holden where winging there heads off.Wanting the Ford front end saying it's F 1 type front end suspension etc. Almost every time there is a duel now on for positions the Holden seems to track better especially after a few hard late braking/cornering laps the Holden's seem to be able to pull in tighter mid corner and pass and get better power to ground in most cases.Did Ford get there under tray back that they lost or part of it??
Another it seem the Holden can be built lighter initially then weight added to the right place for ballance,say in front of back wheels.The Ford looks heavier on the track, the way it handles...
Why tires go off alittle earlier...

kinobi · 03-18-2002, 04:24

us ford fans can jump and and down, yell and scream till we're black and blue in the face, but in the end nothing will happen! just better off putting ur engery into something else.

HSE2 · 03-18-2002, 09:38

I seriously don't know how this can be achieved, until a) they limit the funds available to each team adn that would be impossible to police and b) allow the teams to catch up by more testing time.

HRT have had the funds and the people to go away over the off season and work on all areas of their team as well as being creative with the wheel nut issue. I seriously doubt that any other team had a chance to think of pit stop time saving as they were all trying to catch HRTs basic package.

Bowie seems to suggest that HRT had a consultive roll in the control tyre. I have no idea if this is true, but why would you hand the number one team that big of a leg up when the series is struggling to stay afloat. And by that I mean interest is leaving the sport because there is one team dominating. The only real fix is to go back to GTP type racing. The cars aren't the problem in this issue. The real problem here is the resource, the budget and the people HRT have available to them. Ford say they could do the same but it would kill the series as only two teams would have a chance of winning. NEWS FLASH........ Series already dead and there is only one team with a chance of winning

03-18-2002, 13:59

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Originally posted by HSE2
I seriously don't know how this can be achieved, until a) they limit the funds available to each team adn that would be impossible to police and b) allow the teams to catch up by more testing time.

HRT have had the funds and the people to go away over the off season and work on all areas of their team as well as being creative with the wheel nut issue. I seriously doubt that any other team had a chance to think of pit stop time saving as they were all trying to catch HRTs basic package.

Bowie seems to suggest that HRT had a consultive roll in the control tyre. I have no idea if this is true, but why would you hand the number one team that big of a leg up when the series is struggling to stay afloat. And by that I mean interest is leaving the sport because there is one team dominating. The only real fix is to go back to GTP type racing. The cars aren't the problem in this issue. The real problem here is the resource, the budget and the people HRT have available to them. Ford say they could do the same but it would kill the series as only two teams would have a chance of winning. NEWS FLASH........ Series already dead and there is only one team with a chance of winning

V8 "supercars" are heading down the same path as rugby "superleague" . One team with all the talent and financial resources sucks the competition and the series it relies on dry, then it dies in the ass.

This bullsh!t of holden being better than ford is a croc.Take out TWR, then you will have true competition.

I personally think a royal commission into the relationship between AVESCO and HRT / TWR is needed - a bit over the top? me thinks not.

Mr Sparkle · 03-18-2002, 14:31

HRT is really starting to tire me out. It's not a matter of being pissed off, I'm beyond that.

Anyhow, as for parity, the way it's working now there is no benefit in developing the cars. As soon as something new or significantly better is developed, it is stepped on (except HRT's new fueling system). As always, if HRT didn't develop it, they will whinge the loudest until either the technology is shared, or is removed. It's a f***ing joke.

Anyhow I have shifted my racing allegiance to the various GTP series, which encompasses a DIVERSE range of vehicles, which is a GOOD THING.

To AVESCO - GET YOUR COLLECTIVE HEAD OUT OF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASS!!

(/vent)

Falchoon · 03-18-2002, 16:22

I think both HSE2 and MadMax have both raised different but valid points.

I agree that the HRT cars seem to be a rung above the rest of the field, even the other Holden drivers agree on that.

I think Ian that you are being a little premature saying the series is dead just because HRT/TWR seem to win most of the races. OK, it's not an ideal situation, of course I would like to see the Fords at the front (preferably Marcos but any damn Ford will do...) but in reality I think you will find the V8 Supercar series is bigger than ever.

I think you are right in saying the money has to be limited. I have said this before (might of been over at Conrod) that a central body should be responsible for manufacturing identical cars and the teams buy them from them and then fine tune suspension and other minor mods where applicable. I think there would need to be a different assembler/manufacturer for the Holdens and the Fords.

Maybe a salary type cap could be looked at as well (similar to football), though it might not be relevant as it seems to be the cars more than the drivers that are the problem.

Maybe an overall budget cap needs to be put in place, I guess you would have to set it at the level of the lowest budget team at the moment and everybody would have to work with that. Probably too hard to do as a lot of the big budget teams have specialised equipment that some of the smaller teams don't and it would be a little unfair to ask them to sell it (who'd buy it?).

It's interesting to note that in the V8 BRUTE series where they have 5.7 Commodore utes vs 5.0 Falcon utes parity doesn't seem to be an issue, in fact I think last year Fords might of won the majority of the races, maybe that is because HRT/TWR isn't involved.

Falchoon · 03-18-2002, 16:53

Maybe they could swap cars in the enduro rounds. Let all the Holden drivers (or maybe just the top 10 out of each make) swap brands for the second race. make it a double point race so there would be extra incentive to win. And if the Holdnen driver crashes the Ford (or vica versa) then they have to pay the repair bill just so there's no malicious behaviour involved. Just a thought.

Venom XR · 03-18-2002, 17:19

What's the go with Operation Blueprint?

I heard this would reduce the differences between the two brands. We know Holden are getting front double wishbone suspension and possibly the better chev heads, but will Ford get the shorter control arms that are responsible for the Commodores being able to get the power down better than the Falcons?