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Old 10-07-2002, 08:29   #1 (permalink)
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Penalized for being the best

Bernie Ecclestone's radical new plan to save the Formula one series will face some serious opposition today when it is unveiled to the ten participating F1 teams. Although the exact details of the new scheme are secret, a few ideas were leaked earlier in the day.

While some think Ecclestone may be joking about handicapping the best driver in 2003 for good strong performances, it appears as if that is definitely among the ideas being put forward and will not be greeted happily by the Ferrari team, something that goes against the grain of every team on the grid. The idea behind F1 is to produce a winning combination to take the prestigious honour of being crowned champion, not be penalized, however it appears this may be the only way to save the sport as we know it.

“We are at a crossroads, there is no doubt about that. We have to improve the show and reduce the costs if teams and, eventually, the sport are going to survive as we know it now,” FIA President Max Mosley told the Times. “There is widespread agreement that we need to do something. There is no doubt that handicapping runs counter to the traditions of Formula One, but sometimes you find yourself in a position where you can keep your traditions but no one cares because they are not watching.”

”That is when you have to weigh tradition against change and what it can bring you and the sport. We have radical ideas to make the spectacle more exciting and save costs on a massive scale. The problem is that costs have gone up while income has gone down and now television companies will want to pay less because audiences are falling. We need to put that right before any more teams go out of business. It is that urgent and that important.”

It will be interesting to hear just what the teams have to say to the new proposal and they will have their chance to thrash it out with the powers that be in a meeting scheduled for the 28th of October.




Bernie Ecclestone is a w*nker!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-07-2002, 19:29   #2 (permalink)
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and your better solution is????
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Old 10-07-2002, 19:45   #3 (permalink)
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Leave it the way it is!!

The top F1 teams spend $500 million a year to be up the front and when they do they get penalized?

C'mon that's bullshit!

F1 is not a controlled sport like what V8Supercars is so of course they're not going to have close racing because the teams have different suspension, engine, chassis etc to others.
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Old 10-07-2002, 19:50   #4 (permalink)
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but if it keeps going the way its going there wont be any sport left, the smaller teams will leave or fold and well the car companies come and go as they please which has been proven in the past. the best idea so far has been to allow the bigger teams to sell chassis to other teams for cost cutting measures.
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Well McLaren and Williams think it's a stupid idea as well.

McLaren and Williams say no to Bernie's plan
''We would not sign up to a weight handicap in Formula One.”


With the proposed changes to the Formula One championship announced to the teams yesterday it was, without a doubt, expected to evoke some fierce reactions from team bosses up and down pitlane. Now, twenty-four hours after discussing the radical new proposal, Bernie Ecclestone's plans to effectively hobble the best driver by adding extra weight to the car has already been blasted by second and third in this year's championship, Williams and McLaren.

Both teams have rejected the weight handicap, Sir Frank Williams believing that they would be taking a risk that the changes may turn the sport into something that is not Formula One in the process. The team boss doesn't believe that interfering with the cars will make racing better, stating that instead they need more tracks with the potential for overtaking.

Meanwhile, McLaren's managing director, Martin Whitmarsh believes the onus is on other teams to make up the deficit to Ferrari as soon as possible and there is no way they will agree to the new proposal.

"We would not sign up to a weight handicap in Formula One," he said in the Guardian. "I understand the concerns about the lack of close racing at the present time, but this is largely due to Ferrari doing an excellent job. It is up to other teams to take steps to rectify performance deficiency, and we will. Nobody wants to beat Ferrari simply because their cars are carrying additional weight."
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and the view from a team who next year wont have a factory backing.......

EJ BACKS BERNIE PENALTY PLANS - www.itv-f1.com

Eddie ****** has thrown his weight behind Bernie Ecclestone's plans to introduce ballast penalties in F1.

****** is delighted at the F1 supremo’s admission that he is looking at ways to make F1 more spectacular and win back disillusioned viewers.

One controversial suggestion made by Ecclestone was the idea of weight penalties to slow down the leading runners. ****** believes this is a sound idea.

He told Radio Five Live: "I think this is an excellent, proven and guaranteed way of levelling the playing field.

"It would not be the first time it has happened in motor racing. In saloon car racing, what happens is when you pick up points, you pick up kilos too.

"One of the reasons Bernie Ecclestone has headlined the weight penalty is because it is easy to put in place, manage and control with regulations.

"We need to get back those people who are turning off motor racing. There is a definite trend towards losing viewers so something needs to be done."

****** admitted that the idea was bound to encounter opposition from the leading teams but said Ecclestone should act unilaterally and force the policy through.

He said: "The teams will never agree en masse so he needs to be draconian and tough and put in place something that he firmly believes will put F1 back to the footing it had."

****** is convinced that a more level playing field would even benefit the all-conquering Ferrari team.

He said: "Quite clearly it is a little bit embarrassing for them at the moment. They will amass this year for the first time ever in the history of motor racing - if they win in Japan this weekend, as they should - more points than all of the other teams put together.

"Now that is clearly not what anybody wants, and Ferrari certainly don't.

"We need a very exciting championship that is TV-pleasant to everybody."
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Bernie Ecclestone is a w*nker!!!!!!!!
You're entitled to your opinion, but he didnt become one of the richest men in the world from being stupid...

Like it or not, he does know what he is doing... he virtually single-handedly built the formula one empire to what it is today. I am a huge formula one fan, and I agree that changes need to be made. I grow tired of watching Ferrari play at the front without any chance of losing, Irvine getting a podium was as good as a race win lately...

We know that things do change, look at McLaren in 1997 and then now.... fortunes do change.

All I'll say is that Bernie didn't get where he is by being dumb.... I hope it results in better racing.

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I didn't say he was stupid .....just a w@nker.
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I personally wouldn't like it if I was any other team (that's trying to catch Ferrari) because it would add less credibility if they were to catch them.

I mean, let's say that McLaren beat them (which they HAVE done in a race this year!)......people would just look at Ferrari penalty and just dismiss them even though they could have made serious advancements in engine, aerodynamics, pit strategy etc etc. I can see people just going "Bahh....it's because Ferrari is made to carry more weight!" I mean, it's like telling an athlete "Ok....you have to start 10 seconds behind everyone else because you've been so dominant"...like maybe Ian Thorpe.

But in saying that, I can see how coming up with a solution is difficult. Especially with the commerical side of the business to consider. I just don't like this one....then again, i'll probably not be in favor of any sort of penalising system.
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Old 10-12-2002, 08:59   #10 (permalink)
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I didn't say he was stupid .....just a w@nker.
True, my personal opinion is that he just cares more about money than the sport, and will do anything to keep the cash coming in and that is to keep everyone watching. I admit I've stopped watching F1 since mid season because I'm sick to death of Ferrari and that tosser MS, but I also think that these new rules are dumb and will ruin the sport. Its the other teams job to improve thier performances to make it exciting.
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