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Old 08-27-2009, 21:54   #1 (permalink)
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engine swap question kinda stupid one

i was just wondering if the 2.3L in the ford focus has the same internals or even the same motor as my 2.3L turbo in my thunderbird? i need a new motor and was looking at getting a newer 2.3L focus motor and rebuilding it to handle the turbo i wanna put in the car im looking to make about 400hp out of it and i know it can be done but will it work in the thunderbird?

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i was just wondering if the 2.3L in the ford focus has the same internals or even the same motor as my 2.3L turbo in my thunderbird? i need a new motor and was looking at getting a newer 2.3L focus motor and rebuilding it to handle the turbo i wanna put in the car im looking to make about 400hp out of it and i know it can be done but will it work in the thunderbird?

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Here are some specs on the Focus 2.3L
General Specifications Item Specification
Displacement 2.3L
No. of cylinders 4
Bore/stroke 87.5/94.0
Firing order 1-3-4-2
Oil pressure (hot @ 2,000 rpm) 29-39 psi 200-268 kPa
Belt tension Refer to Section 303-05.
Oil capacity 4.1 qts. + 0.4 qt. with filter
Cylinder Block
Cylinder bore diameter 87.5-87.53 mm (3.444-3.445 in.)
Cylinder bore maximum out-of-round 0.008 mm (0.0003 in.)
Main bearing bore diameter 57.020-57.038 mm (2.244-2.245 in.)
Head gasket surface flatness 0.1 mm/general 0.05 mm/200 x 200 (0.004 in./general) (0.0019 in./7.87 x 7.87)
Piston
Diameter (1) 87.5-87.51 mm (3.444-3.445 in.)
Diameter (2) 87.51-87.52 mm (3.4452-3.4456 in.)
Diameter (3) 87.52-87.53 mm (3.444-3.446 in.)
Piston-to-bore clearance 0.025-0.045 mm (0.0009-0.0017 in.)
Ring groove width — top 1.203-1.205 mm (0.0473-0.0474 in.)
Ring groove width — 2nd 1.17-1.19 mm (0.0.460-0.0468 in.)
Ring groove width — oil 2.501-2.503 mm (0.0984-0.0985 in.)
Piston skirt coating thickness 0.008-0.020 mm (0.0003-0.0007 in.)
Piston Pin
Diameter 20.995-21.0 mm (0.8266-0.8268 in.)
Length 59.6-60.4 mm (2.346-2.377 in.)
Piston-to-pin clearance 0.008-0.016 mm (0.0003-0.0006 in.)
Pin-to-rod clearance Press fit
Cylinder Head
Valve lift @ zero lash (exhaust) 7.4 mm
Valve lift @ zero lash (intake) 7.9 mm
Valve guide diameter 5.509-5.539 mm (0.216-0.218 in.)
Valve seat width — intake/exhaust 0.99-1.84 mm (0.038-0.072 in.)
Valve seat angle 45 degrees
Valve seat runout 0.075 mm (0.0029 in.)
Valve lash adjuster bore diameter 31.00-31.03 mm (1.220-1.221 in.)
Cam bore diameter 25.015-25.040 mm (0.984-0.985 in.)
Valve
Valve head diameter — intake 34.85-35.15 mm (1.372-1.383 in.)
Valve head diameter — exhaust 29.85-30.15 mm (1.175-1.187 in.)
Valve stem diameter — intake 5.470-5.485 mm (0.2153-0.2159 in.)
Valve stem diameter — exhaust 5.465-5.480 mm (0.2151-0.2157 in.)
Valve stem-to-guide clearance — intake 0.0027 mm (0.0001 in.)
Valve stem-to-guide clearance — exhaust 0.0029 mm (0.00011 in.)
Valve face runout 0.05 mm (0.001 in.)
Valve face angle 45 degrees
Valve Spring — Compression Pressure
Intake and exhaust (installed) 38.667 lbs.
Intake (valve open) 8.9 mm (0.35 in) of lift 97.032 lbs.
Exhaust (valve open) 7.4 mm of lift 93.338 lbs.
Free length 44.92 mm (1.768 in.)
Assembled height 37.9 mm (1.492 in.)
Crankshaft
Main bearing journal diameter 51.980-52.000 mm (2.046-2.047 in.)
Production repair 51.730-51.750 mm (2.036-2.037 in.)
Main bearing clearance 0.019-0.035 mm (0.0007-0.0013 in.)
Connecting rod journal diameter 49.980-50.000 mm (1.967-1.968 in.)
Production repair 49.730-49.750 mm (1.957-1.958 in.)
End play 0.22-0.43 mm (0.008-0.016 in.)
Rings
Width — top 1.17-1.185 mm (0.0460-0.0466 in.)
Width — 2nd 1.197-1.199 mm (0.0471-0.0472 in.)
Width — oil 2.38-2.45 mm (0.093-0.096 in.)
Ring gap (in bore) — top 0.16-0.31 mm (0.006-0.012 in.)
Ring gap (in bore) — 2nd 0.33-0.48 mm (0.012-0.018 in.)
Ring gap (in bore) — oil 0.2-0.7 mm (0.007-0.027 in.)
Valve Tappet
Diameter 30.97-30.98 mm (1.2192-1.2196 in.)
Tappet-to-valve clearance — intake 0.22- 0.28 mm (0.008-0.011 in.)
Tappet-to-valve clearance — exhaust 0.27-0.33 mm (0.010-0.013 in.)
Tappet-to-bore clearance 0.02-0.06 mm (0.0007-0.0023 in.)
Camshaft
Lobe lift — intake 8.24999 mm (0.324 in.)
Lobe lift — exhaust 7.80007 mm (0.307 in.)
Runout (1)a 0.03 mm (0.001 in.)
Thrust clearance 0.09-0.24 mm (0.003-0.009 in.)
Journal diameter 24.96-24.98 mm (0.982-0.983 in.)
Journal-to-bore clearance 0.035-0.080 mm (0.001-0.003 in.)
Connecting Rod
Bearing clearance 0.027-0.052 (0.001-0.002 in.)
Bearing thickness 1.496-1.520 mm (0.058-0.059 in.)
Crank bore diameter 53.025-53.045 mm (2.087-2.088 in.)
Pin bore diameter 20.965-20.985 mm (0.825-0.826 in.)
Length (center to center) 154.8 mm (6.094 in.)
Side clearance 1.95-3.05 mm (0.076-0.120 in.)
Axial clearance 0.14-0.36 mm (0.005-0.014 in.)


I highly doubt it friend. I would do some research into the bore and stroke of the new focus engines as well as the type of pistons used. Compare part #'s and read up a little bit before jumping feet first. Personally, I would find an old Fox mustang with the same 2.3L and build it up. As far as swapping the engine from a focus, I highly doubt the bellhousing will match up. I'm no expert but I am willing to put 100 bucks on it. Just the difference in Trans: If yours has a auto trans, it will be an AOD, and I am pretty sure the Focus has either of these - Highly unlikely you will get it to fit unless you do a lot of custom fab work and a lot of elbow grease. Not putting your idea down, but from the 5 minutes it took me to look this up, it probably won't work. Sorry man, but there is always buying an engine kit from Jon Huber! 700+ Horsepower, and some 600 ft lbs tq aint too bad for a 4 banger.

Best of luck though man.
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alright thanx for the info bro it was just an idea but thx for that input its exactly what i was lookin for
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No prob bro, glad I could help..
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