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Old 10-25-2002, 02:36   #1 (permalink)
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Weight in the XR8 and GT's

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Just wondering if anyone know if Ford are going to bring the weight of the new GT and XR8 down so that they can easily beat the HSV's and SS, because the new models have such a good power advantage over the Holden cars it would be a shame to see weight let the Holden cars get close to the new Fords......

Just my thoughts....



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Old 10-25-2002, 02:59   #2 (permalink)
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It'll most likely be a little heavier than XR6T due to larger engine, and bigger wheels/tyres.
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:16   #3 (permalink)
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Remember that Ford aren't trying to get better straight line speed... they're aiming at a total driving experience that will whoop the Holdens....


So I doubt that they will reduce the weight... I mean like... if the XR8 will go against SS... and lets assume that the XR8 is faster than the XR6T in straight line speeds.... then the XR8 should be able to beat the SS in straight line speed anyway...
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Old 10-25-2002, 03:39   #4 (permalink)
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Remember that Ford aren't trying to get better straight line speed... they're aiming at a total driving experience that will whoop the Holdens....


So I doubt that they will reduce the weight... I mean like... if the XR8 will go against SS... and lets assume that the XR8 is faster than the XR6T in straight line speeds.... then the XR8 should be able to beat the SS in straight line speed anyway...
I know the XR8 will beat the SS, but not by much, and I also no that the XR8 will be a better car to drive, but given the price tag and the power I would really like to put ground on the SS.....

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I would expect FPV's entry level weight minimum would be 1700 kgs seeing that most HSVs weigh around 1700kg. I wouldn't be surpised if the GT-P reaches 1800kgs... seeing that an optioned-up XR6T is around 1750kg.
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I dont think that the weight is an issue. With all the extra features ,systems ,strengthening, the falcon is more inline with the euro sedans ( e-class 17-1800 kgs, 5 series ,M5 same for a smaller car)
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I know the XR8 will beat the SS, but not by much, and I also no that the XR8 will be a better car to drive, but given the price tag and the power I would really like to put ground on the SS.....

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are you sure that you 'know' anything?? ...you seem to think that Kw is the answer to accelleration..what about torque?? torque is what pulls it off the line ... the torque of the 5.4 260 kw is far better than the SS's version of the LS1

It could stand to lose weight I agree...but I think you will find the driving experience will be somewhat different to what you expect. I think we should all wait until the cars have been driven my journos (other than Wheels!) and some figures are given. Until then .. nothing but speculation
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I know the XR8 will beat the SS, but not by much, and I also no that the XR8 will be a better car to drive, but given the price tag and the power I would really like to put ground on the SS.....

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I agree with you to an extent. Yes the Fords are better than the Holdens even in the hands of a neutral tester and the only one for me but i dont think we should all assume its perfect as many here do. Sure its more perfect than its rivals so it does'nt need to be changed but for next model {BA2} about when Holden gets Gen 4 cutting a bit of weight would be the more sensible option than taking XR8 for eg out to 280kw IMO. Cutting weight will be the best way to get all round performance not just straight line. New auto should also be a good way to create a quicker car without using any more fuel.

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are you sure that you 'know' anything?? ...you seem to think that Kw is the answer to accelleration..what about torque?? torque is what pulls it off the line ... the torque of the 5.4 260 kw is far better than the SS's version of the LS1

It could stand to lose weight I agree...but I think you will find the driving experience will be somewhat different to what you expect. I think we should all wait until the cars have been driven my journos (other than Wheels!) and some figures are given. Until then .. nothing but speculation
I do know what I am talking about, I know that torque is what gets you off the line but puch in the torque/weight ratios your self,
SS: 1590/465 = 3.42kg/Kw
XR8: (Assumed) 1742/500 = 3.48kg/Kw

As you can see the weight is a very big part in how the car will perform against the SS, I am a Ford supporter and I believe the BA is better than the VY but the SS is in front here.........

That is why I am trying to find out what the weight will be



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I do know what I am talking about, I know that torque is what gets you off the line but punch in the torque/weight ratios your self,
SS: 1590/465 = 3.42kg/Kw
XR8: (Assumed) 1742/500 = 3.48kg/Kw

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Um, I think you're a bit confused here Sipheren...


The figures you quote above should be:

SS: 1590/465 = 3.42kg/Nm
XR8: (Assumed) 1742/500 = 3.48kg/Nm

Power to weight, based on your assumed weight, is:

SS: 1590/235 = 6.76kg/Kw
XR8: (Assumed) 1742/260 = 6.70kg/Kw

Either way, other factors also come into the equation: the engines actual torque curve (as opposed to just the maximum number), revs it makes that power & torque at, gear ratios, diff ratio, traction and handling to name just a few.


Finally, you're basing all your figures on what you admit is an 'assumed' weight!

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