madcabbie

Hey guys, I just picked up a cheap 3 way crossover setup.
2 x 8 " subs - 2 x 4" mids - 2 tweeters.

What would be the best layout for sound for this setup?

Subs in middle, mids outter and tweeters high? Maybe mids in rear doors ?

You tell me as I have only ever had 2 parcel shelf speakers in any of my cars before.

Cheers folks

BunD

put them all in the front doors if you are serious
What car are we talikng here

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Rmyers

Doors definately, but as BunD asked we need to know what car..

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Fhrx

Midbass drivers in the doors, midrange and tweeters in the kick panels. The best combination for good staging and imaging. :)

madcabbie

Sorry guys I forgot that little detail.

Its an EF Falcon with a Pioneer mp3/wma player.

So sounds like I should forgot the rear and stick them in the front huh

julsisere

The guys are right,

make up some big pods and put the 8's in the doors, and the 4 and tweets in the kick panels,
this will sound, friggen incredible. But make sure you have at least a 100 W RMS x 2 amp, if you can 200 W x 2 or more.

This will make all the difference.

and NO your headunit does not have enough power to power them,
they will sound shocking off your headunit. Not to mention you prolly ruin the headunit and the speakers themselves.

I trust you have a Crossover with them? if not then why not!!

If you do it may have the Option to BI WIRE, meaning you can input 4 power channels, in which case a 4 x 50 watt RMS - 4 x 150 Watt RMS Amplifer would be the go fer sure, Bi Wired front stages offer much more dynamic power handling and sound, so if it offers that, that might work out more cost effective anyway.

if you can't get the mid and tweeter in the kick panels,
make a pod that can fit all the speakers in the doors,fit the Mid and tweeters as far forward and low as you can, and angle them slightly up and forward to the driver/passenger as possible, Firing at the opposing passenger is always good. (like drivers side door, mid and tweeter firing at the passenger side and then opposite on other side ect.)

Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Juls

doink1

Im might have to disagree do you already have decent speakers in the front or just stockers?

Are you going to seal the doors with some form of sound deadener?
if your not going to use the rear parcel shelf. 8's in the middle 4's then tweeters
fabricate a new shelf make sure you use thick mdf the thicker the better
you'll get better bass out of them in the rear. cover with carpet.
just put a good set of splits in the front
if you put the 3way setup in the front it will just drown out anything you put in the rear. you will get better staging, and better sql!

Cheers dayne

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julsisere

I don't really understand what Doink is saying.

But either way, I definatly would NEVER put Good speakers in the back of your car..

You don't sit in the back of your car when you drive it..
you don't go to a Concert and stand with your back to the singers..

so why the heck would you want all the good sound coming from the back!

in most cases you want either NO rear speakers, or something very basic, most High end Sound Quality systems are still using the stock rear speakers, because they are only rear fill, you don't want them to produce bass otherwise they ruin your soundstage by dragging your bass stage backwards into the car. As much bass as far forward is very important in bringing your sound stage up on top and forward of the dashboard. I know I like my ladys standing and singing in front of me.. how about you?

Agreed, you must sound deaden your doors, and yes you will need to make either a MDF or Fibreglass/MDF mounting for your speakers.. I know it sounds like alot of screwing around, but it's worth it.

Waste of time if you don't have the power to push them though

regards
Juls

doink1

Sorry madcabbie about jackin your thread

1 question juls where do you install subs?
bass is not dependant on where it is in the vehicle

It's all about filling ALL of your vehicle with quality sounds, no just the front stage
you need the better setup in the REAR so the sound can reach you.
the fronts aren't that extra 1/2 metre away from you.
When you can hear ALL speakers evenly is when you start getting a clarity that you dont get with just a front stage.
if you want sq like a concert put in a CENTER speaker then your LADIES will be in front

What high end system are you talking about that use stockers in the rear
you get point's in sq comps for staging and quality of sound. your wasting your time if your using stockers on an amp and if your not using an amp your not getting the quality you are speaking of at all.

What about passangers in you car are they expected to listen to Shite in the back?

Just My $1.20
Dayne

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Rmyers

Your comparing subwoofers to component woofers, and both produce two vastly different frequency ranges. Have a look at a professional home audio system, subwoofers can be placed anywere within the room, but woofers on the other hand are ALWAYS infront of you...

It's certainly not about "filling your car with quality sounds". One aspect of a system that is judged in an SQ comp is staging. The ultimate goal for staging is to make it sound like the music is coming from as far forward as possible (ie: beyond your dash board). It's nonsense saying that you can't get the same clarity from just your fronts compared to both fronts and rears...

Many people (including myself) don't even bother with rear speakers. They serve very little purpose in SQ. They can be used as ambience drivers to lift your sound stage slightly and that's about it really (ambience tweeters in the front is more commonly used). In this situaution, rear speakers should not be audible and should only be turned up enough to compliment the stage height of your fronts. ALL dedicated SQ and SQL systems only have the fronts audible from the drivers seat...

Stif sh!t for them lol

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