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Old 12-15-2002, 04:02   #1 (permalink)
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how many watts do the Pioneer speakers have?

I think these were the standard ones from factory. My El XR6 has these, and I was wondering if the Sony Xplod's are worth replacing them? They are 6" 2 way speakers @ 79 bucks at autobarn.

When it comes to car audio im pretty useless. So I'm asking advice from some of the Guru's. Do they just replace the old ones in the parcel shelf?

The pioneers are pretty good, but If the Xplod's are alot better, then $79 is justified. They would also look better, Red, although im not really after them for the looks.
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Cobra, I don't know if I can answer you question but I'll have a go.

For starters your question "how many watts do the Pioneer speakers have?"

Speakers themselves don't make watts - only amps make watts, which is a measurment of power.

Speakers have a power handling rating (also measured in watts) which in simple terms is how much power can be fed into the speakers before they start to distort.

Factory speakers are usually only rated at around 10~15 watts from my experience, maybe things have changed &/or XRs have better gear.

Aftermarket speakers will usually have a much higher power handling rating, but to get the best out of them will require more power be fed in. That's not to say they won't sound better than the factory jobbies with a standard headunit (and yes, they should just drop in to the factory holes if they are the same size)

Try and audition them and decide if you like how they sound - unfortunately though very few sound boards are constructed much like a car.
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Let's start with a couple of basics.

Speakers don't have watts - they have the capacity to handle power measured in watts.

Almost any after market speaker from a reputable manufacturer is going to sound better than the factory $8 specials.

A word of advice - Ford have been really good through the years at using non-standard speaker sizes like 5 x 9 for their rear mounts. Unless you really want to start cutting metal - check first.

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I won't say it again...

Generally any speaker upgrade is justified, sorta....

I've heard that Sony xplod's 'look' good!!!! Set up right factory speakers can sound good, the system in my car is set up for quality and ppl in the car audio game don't believe the fronts are factory splits.....
IMO I would go from factory Pioneers down to xplod's. Also I don't think they drop straight in, if the EF-EL is anything like the EA -ED, the holes are 6" nor 6.5".

If oyu want the stero to sound good, spend your money on the front with a small amp!!
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Old 12-16-2002, 01:30   #5 (permalink)
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Sorry I meant to ask what is the maximum power output the Pioneers can handle. The Xplod Speakers says 130watts. I want to get the Sony Xplod head unit too, as I need a CD player, but to get louder crisper sound i need a bigger/better AMP?
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Initially I would have just said go and get the sony's if you've auditioned them and you liked them. But now that you're talking about getting a new head unit and possibly amp as well....Do you know how far you want to go with your system ? (ie. do you plan on upgrading all 4 speakers at some stage ?? possibly getting a small sub-woofer as well etc ?? Do you have a planned budget for the system ?

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what is the maximum power output the Pioneers can handle. The Xplod Speakers says 130watts
I wouldn't worry about the max power handling value, only the RMS rating is worth anything. It's because you'll see some speakers which have a max (or also called "peak") rating of 100 watts, and the rms rating might be ~70 and other speakers with the same peak rating might have an rms rating of 30 etc. The reason is that often manufacturers don't state under what conditions the speaker is able to handle that max power. eg. sometimes the speaker might only be able to handle the peak power for a few seconds etc.

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but to get louder crisper sound i need a bigger/better AMP?
In this case it depends. Yes getting an amp will definitely let you play louder, because the head unit would only give out say 15-20rms (for some ppl this is quite sufficeint, it depends on the person). But as far as being "crisper", I'd say consider the scenario: Let's say you were going to spend $100 on an amp to power your $79 sony's. Instead, you might find that you get better sound quality from getting a pair of $179 splits and just running them as fronts off the head unit. Sure they might not get as loud, but they might give you crisper sound due to using higher quality speaker components? Of course this is a generalisation because there are a lot of variables that'd come into it.

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If you want the stereo to sound good, spend your money on the front with a small amp!!
Agreed, front speakers are more important than your rear ones for sound quality (imho).

What you could do (as Raptor was suggesting) is go and demo some speakers (amped & non-amped), and then some more expensive speakers/splits as well (amped & non-amped). This way you'll get a better idea of what will work for you. (Some shops have their demo boards set up this way with a switch so you can listen to speakers amped/non amped).

Anyways, just my opinion.
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