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Old 09-26-2005, 19:48   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all
I am currently converting my 351c XE falc to an auto finally after smashing another BW diff at speed on tweed event...

I have ordered;
Precise C4 to 600@fly
TCS 9 1/2 3200 stall
Craft Diffs 9" 31spline 3.7 strange, MW axles.

Can someone help me make a list of parts needed for the conversion. I have a wedding to attend about 4hrs away less than 4 weeks away, I would like to take my car. I know I will have the major stuff here ready but i don't want to miss anyway that I will need and force me to have to take the 4cyl!!!!!!!

Here is what I can think of; pls quote this and just put answer under each line, cheers.
-ordered a oil bung to weld in bottom of C4 pan for mech gauge.

-B&M shifter, linkage on c4 to suit.

-Flex plate, where do ya get a new one from?

-auto pedal box, what series falc can i get em from?

-anything need to go from carb to box?

-whats the best bell housing to get? are there cast/alloy options? good place to buy one from?

-Does anyone know a specific lock down filler tube for the C4 which will work in XE with pacey 4-1's?.....

anything else guys?

I then will need to organise a tailshaft which I will make another post for latr on.. also calipers and rotors!!

thankyou
ps. changing from BW 4sp 6cyl.
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Old 09-26-2005, 20:01   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Auto conversion XE C4

As long as you use the std pan, the filler tube will just fit in.
You need the auto flex plate shorter bolts.
You need oil cooler and lines.
Need a kickdown rod or cable.
I would expect the C4 to come with the std alloy bellhousing which is fine.
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Old 09-26-2005, 20:06   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Auto conversion XE C4

you will be suprised how driveable the car will be once converted to the auto, do not forget your auto fluid, depending on the pan you have you will need 7-8 litres, as for pedal's try and get a factory xd or e setup, you can buy brand new flex plates vpw, superplus etc Good luck with it.
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Old 09-27-2005, 02:33   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Auto conversion XE C4

You'll also need to do some wiring for the inhibitor switch and possibly a speedo cable. Not sure if the manual and auto ones are different on XE. Speedo drive gear is required. If you have a long front yoke on the tailshaft? You'll need to swap it to the shorter one.
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Old 09-27-2005, 02:41   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Auto conversion XE C4

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Hey all
I am currently converting my 351c XE falc to an auto finally after smashing another BW diff at speed on tweed event...

I have ordered;
Precise C4 to 600@fly
TCS 9 1/2 3200 stall
Craft Diffs 9" 31spline 3.7 strange, MW axles.

Can someone help me make a list of parts needed for the conversion. I have a wedding to attend about 4hrs away less than 4 weeks away, I would like to take my car. I know I will have the major stuff here ready but i don't want to miss anyway that I will need and force me to have to take the 4cyl!!!!!!!

Here is what I can think of; pls quote this and just put answer under each line, cheers.
-ordered a oil bung to weld in bottom of C4 pan for mech gauge.
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-B&M shifter, linkage on c4 to suit.
Any speed shop can help. A megashifter is an okay shifter. I have a preferance to the Quicksilver. I hate the way the megashift mechanism works.

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-Flex plate, where do ya get a new one from?
You'll find them on ebay. They are $250ish new but cheap for a good s/h one on ebay.

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-auto pedal box, what series falc can i get em from?
XD/E it'll have to come from.

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-anything need to go from carb to box?
Kick downs not necessary. You'll need the vac line to the manifold.

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-whats the best bell housing to get? are there cast/alloy options? good place to buy one from?
Stock bellhousing is fine.

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-Does anyone know a specific lock down filler tube for the C4 which will work in XE with pacey 4-1's?.....
None that I've seen.

anything else guys?

Extra's stated in other post.

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I then will need to organise a tailshaft which I will make another post for latr on.. also calipers and rotors!!

thankyou
ps. changing from BW 4sp 6cyl.
Have fun.
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Old 09-27-2005, 16:08   #6 (permalink)
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You'll also need to do some wiring for the inhibitor switch and possibly a speedo cable. Not sure if the manual and auto ones are different on XE. Speedo drive gear is required. If you have a long front yoke on the tailshaft? You'll need to swap it to the shorter one.

-Tailshaft is going to get made, what tailshaft is a good starting point? I was either going to find something and have good uni's put on, then balance or I was just going to let someone make it from scratch....
-The wirring is no drama, I can do that around the time of install.
-As for the speedo cable I am not sure either, anoy else know?
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Old 09-27-2005, 16:17   #7 (permalink)
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OK i had a look on Ebay lastnight, I found a good 2nd hand flex, sandwhich plate and some other parts as a package.
-Is there anything wrong with the 2nd flex plates? do they brake? and if they do, does it risk the rest of the motor?

-as xdclevo mentioned, Do precise normally sent out a bellhousing with their new boxes?

the only other thing I can think of that might be a drama is...,
What I can rem, ( I havn't driven an auto in a while ) it goes P,R,N,D,2,1 on a normal box.
I am getting stage 2 shift in this box and I am pretty sure it goes P,R,N,1,2,3 which I can manual shift full time. Now do B&M shifters allow this?
I can see how the mega shifter, with the level you need to pull, would not work so well for a manual shifter! whats best for manual shifting?
-Also do they include the little screen that shows what gears in a matching format?
-Anyone had any drama's with this pattern? getting stuck in 3rd and something going wrong and having to go back through the gears to get N. anyway around this?

thanks for the info guys

also is there any difference between and auto pedal box from a 6 or an 8?
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Old 09-27-2005, 16:35   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Auto conversion XE C4

i would be going a quicksilver shifter it has like a normal gate for park reverse neutral then goes down into a sequential shift where you can just sequential shift in between ND21 or N123
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Old 09-27-2005, 18:24   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Auto conversion XE C4

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OK i had a look on Ebay lastnight, I found a good 2nd hand flex, sandwhich plate and some other parts as a package.
-Is there anything wrong with the 2nd flex plates? do they brake? and if they do, does it risk the rest of the motor?
No risk. Clean up any surface rust if any? Allowing them to rust isn't a bright idea. Give it a coat of paint. Mine are all matt black or satin black.

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-as xdclevo mentioned, Do precise normally sent out a bellhousing with their new boxes?
No idea

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the only other thing I can think of that might be a drama is...,
What I can rem, ( I havn't driven an auto in a while ) it goes P,R,N,D,2,1 on a normal box.
I am getting stage 2 shift in this box and I am pretty sure it goes P,R,N,1,2,3 which I can manual shift full time. Now do B&M shifters allow this?
I can see how the mega shifter, with the level you need to pull, would not work so well for a manual shifter! whats best for manual shifting?
Are you gettiong a reverse patterned box? All go D ->2->1. Even Chev/Holden. If your getting a reverse patterned box you'll need a custom shifter to suit. A few more $. You can buy them but they ain't exactly legal.

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-Also do they include the little screen that shows what gears in a matching format?
With the correct shifter yes.

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-Anyone had any drama's with this pattern? getting stuck in 3rd and something going wrong and having to go back through the gears to get N. anyway around this?
3rd being so far away for N is like that for a reason


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thanks for the info guys

also is there any difference between and auto pedal box from a 6 or an 8?
No I am pretty sure there isn't.
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Old 09-27-2005, 22:52   #10 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=brenx]No risk. Clean up any surface rust if any? Allowing them to rust isn't a bright idea. Give it a coat of paint. Mine are all matt black or satin black.

Why paint it? to protect it?




Are you gettiong a reverse patterned box? All go D ->2->1. Even Chev/Holden. If your getting a reverse patterned box you'll need a custom shifter to suit. A few more $. You can buy them but they ain't exactly legal.


well yes in that case mine is reverse pattern. which of the B&M can handle reverse and manual shift without mods?

3rd being so far away for N is like that for a reason
I meant if the tailshaft breaks you are f*rk with reverse valve body! whats yours? before the glide :p



thanks brenx
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