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Old 12-07-2004, 17:21   #1 (permalink)
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Cam Pricing?

For my next tech question regarding my future purchase......

As you know I am thinking of changing the cam in the xbgt I am buying. I have decided to keep the heads that are on it as they are same cast as the original GT ones. Apparently I need to change springs to suit the cam I am getting.

How much do stage two cams go for? Part price only. I am looking at buying something with rev range 2500-5500rpm as advised and want low end power more than top end so it accelerates faster during every day driving conditions. I have already got a quote of around $800 labor only to have new cam put in so if I add this to the price of the cam I will have my final install price for the new cam.

I know the car currently has a 600 holley on it.
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Old 12-07-2004, 17:33   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Cam Pricing?

Noob follow up question.

Does changing the cam change the sound the car will output?
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Old 12-07-2004, 17:57   #3 (permalink)
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Depends on cam timing ??Yes It'll go & sound heaps better...Check alloy fulcram where rocker is held down , they wear over time..
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Old 12-07-2004, 18:10   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Cam Pricing?

Also, I discussed in a previous thread the first thing I am going to do is put car in for service.

I think what I will do is put it in for service and get price for performing cam change. At the same time I will get him to check the car over and let me know what needs fixing, what hoses etc need changing, and whatever I can do myself I will.

That way, the car gets a service and a checkup, I get a better performing and sounding car.
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Describing cams in stages is as usefull as the term 'half race cam'.

I saw a half race cam once. The cam was broken in two and came out of a >1000hp ski race motor.
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Re: Cam Pricing?

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For my next tech question regarding my future purchase......

As you know I am thinking of changing the cam in the xbgt I am buying. I have decided to keep the heads that are on it as they are same cast as the original GT ones. Apparently I need to change springs to suit the cam I am getting.

How much do stage two cams go for? Part price only. I am looking at buying something with rev range 2500-5500rpm as advised and want low end power more than top end so it accelerates faster during every day driving conditions. I have already got a quote of around $800 labor only to have new cam put in so if I add this to the price of the cam I will have my final install price for the new cam.

I know the car currently has a 600 holley on it.
I've got a complete camshaft kit with springs, retainers and locks. Here are the details:

Hydraulic Camshaft Kit: Blue Racer (bought by Crane) WG-1044K

Duration .050": 234*/244*
Lift at Valve: .562"/.588"
LSA: 112*

Valve Timing Details:
IVO: 10* ATDC
IVC: 44* ABDC
EVO: 59* BBDC
EVC: 5* BTDC

Dual Coil Springs: WG-1523

Max Lift: .620"
Outer Springs: ID: 1.060" OD: 1.460" RATE: 270#/Inch
Inner Springs: ID: .700" OD: .970" RATE: 133#/Inch

Installed Height: 1.850" (85-95#)
Coil Bind Height: 1.250" (235-255#)

Locks: WG-429X
Retainers: WG-6202


This cam is a good 2500-6500 cam with strong mid-range and good, broad torque across the RPM band when used with a good dual plane or a small single plane inlet manifold, Tri-Y or 4-into-1 extractors. All parts are completely brand new and in the box. It may have lifters in it, but I haven't looked at it in a good while, so I can't remember.

It sounds like a "good enough" cam for your application. I don't want to come across as a salesman, as that is definitely not my purpose here. I have it just sitting on the shelf, and I'm not very likely to use it anytime soon as I am really a solid flat or solid roller cam bloke.

Desktop Dyno figures suggest:

382 HP @ 6000 RPM w/dual plane and 600 CFM carburetor
387 TQ @ 4500 RPM

430 HP @ 6000 RPM w/single plane and 750 CFM carburetor
409 TQ @ 5000 RPM

...both assume 10.5:1 compression ratio, small tube extractors with mufflers and 4V cylinder heads.

Ported (PowerHeads.com) Aussie 2V heads should be:

418 HP @ 6000 RPM w/dual plane and 600 CFM carburetor
399 TQ @4500 RPM

476 HP @ 6500 RPM w/single plane and 750 CFM carburetor
428 HP @ 5000 RPM

...as you can see, the cam makes excellent power in a hydraulic package. What is harder to see from peak numbers is that it makes broad power across a wider range due to the increased LSA.

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Old 12-07-2004, 22:03   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Cam Pricing?

Ok. If I was to order from crane the same cam. Would i get all the springs retainers and locks as well?

And, This obviously dosnt include the inlet manifold. Will I be required to buy another inlet manifold other than standard one that is on the car now assuming it is the standard one that came with the GT? How much are they if I do need a newy?

I wont be changing the carby anytime soon. It is a 600 holley.
And I wont be porting the heads anytime soon. I am looking at spending about $1500 or so at the most straight away, which has to include a service and labor for a mechanic as I am a mechanical noob.
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Re: Cam Pricing?

I have a cam which is close to the specs mentioned above and to get the full benefits you will also need to look at your heads, carb and manifold, exhaust set up and maybe diff gearing as well.

I would suggest just getting the service done first and making sure what you have is mechanically sound. ie brakes, suspension, hoses,tune carby, plugs and points, new oil and filter, air cleaner.

Then drive the car for a while and see how it performs.

Draw up a plan as to what you want to achieve and as the budget allows make the changes. It can be an expensive hobby and by planning correctly you will only have to make the changes once. Then you can shop around and get prices. It can get confusing and if you ask ten different people you will get ten different combinations.

Spending money on the top will also mean beefing up or at least rebuilding the bottom end too.
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I can second what Davis has said cause I run that cam in my clevo. With a set of modified 2V heads, weiand x-cellerator, 750VS Holley, and 4into1 extractors.And it goes like a cut cat.
So as for price, this cam and its related parts will set you back anywhere from $600 - $900 bucks, depending on where you shop.

But ROD051 has a point, if you can't afford to beef up your inlet manifold, extratcors, carby etc, then maybe you should wait till you can do it all at once
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Old 12-08-2004, 14:33   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Cam Pricing?

Thanks for the advice people.

Ive basically decided to get it serviced first and checked over. Then as you guys suggest, look at different options from there.

Ive got years to get it how I want it cos I never want to sell it.
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