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Hey fellas, I was on performance forums and there is this complete knob jockey on there that swears that the Windsor engine has the same 90 degree angle as the clevelands. I tell him he's wrong the Windsors are definitely 60 degrees, and he keeps coming back and telling me that their 90. He says I should check the Ford manuals to prove his point.

I rang up Ford Muscle Parts in Sydney and asked Bob Matic himself and he confirmed that the Windsors are 60 degrees.

Whats the deal? Is this guy insane or am I? Can someone back me up here?
Here is the link to the forum debate. The guy in question has a user name of Hamish.

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Windsors are 90 degrees
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windsors are definatly 90 degrees...

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Well I called up Ford Muscle Parts and Bob reckons they are 60. Where did you fellas get your information from?

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Well I called up Ford Muscle Parts and Bob reckons they are 60. Where did you fellas get your information from?

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Engine type 5.6-litre OHV V8
Displacement 5605 cc
Bore 101.67 mm
Stroke 86.36 mm
Compression ratio 9.6:1
Power 250 kW @ 5250 rpm
Torque 500 Nm @ 4250 rpm
0-100 km/h 5.9 seconds
Cylinders 90-degree V8
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Yeah Im not talking about the new ones Im talking about the old windsors from the e-series back.

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hmmmmmmm
a windsor block is a windsor block
the Windosr used in the T series was the same block as the earlier Windsors

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Re: Cleveland vs Windsor

Windsors have been basically the same since they were introduced in 1962 as a 221ci and 260ci.
Along the way they have been bored and stroked....
1962 saw a 289ci.
1968 saw a 302ci.
And finally 1969 saw the 351ci which had a taller deck of 9.503" to be similar to the Cleveland.

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can you confirm that? I was under the impression that the Windsors were definitely a smaller V angle and hence had better revving characteristics.

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Re: Cleveland vs Windsor

theres really no difference cept for the longer lifter bores for the roller lifters in a later block...
ive had this discussion a few times before, what gets people is the shape of the heads, but if you have a good look at an engine block(bare, regardless of early or late) you will see what in talking about.

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