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Old 10-19-2003, 07:44   #1 (permalink)
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The differance between winsor & clevland

I have a 76 F100 with a 308 winsor motor
The son has a 85 Bronco with a 351 clevland
Parked them side by side today, stuffed if I could tell the differance !!
I always thought clevlands had orange-red rocker covers & winsors had silver rocker covers .Both motors had silver rocker covers .
So stuffed iff I know.
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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

Windsor thermostat housings bolt to the inlet manifold.

Cleveland thermostat housings bolt to the block.

302 clevo's came had the orange-red rocker covers, while the 351 clevos had blue rocker covers. Late clevo's had silver rocker covers (XD onwards)

I presume your F100 is the 302 windsor??
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I know I"ll have to say three hal Mary's & comitt my soul to purgettory for saying 308 instead of 302 .
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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

also, correct me if im wrong, but clevos are a fair bit 'wider' than winsors
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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

Cleveland has canted valves. Windsor doesn't.

Cleveland returns coolant through block. Windsor returns through intake manifold.

Cleveland has tall outer head bolts. Windsor has short bolts.

Cleveland has integrated timing housing. Windsor doesn't.
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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

i also think that the valve cover bolts are 6 for windsor and 8 for cleveland
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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

The Windsor was first released in the XR GT Falcon in the 289 CID version (1967). It was previously a 260 CID, compact Fairlane I believe. It was then stroked to 302 CID for the XT GT. After this, a whole new engine, the 351 Windsor was used for the XW GT and XW GTHO phase I. You could also get 302 windsor's in XW/Y falcon's/Fairmonts as well as ZA/B/C/D Fairlanes.

The main way of telling them apart is that the Windsor has a 60 degree V configuration and the Cleveland has the 90 degree V configuration (clevelands are wider).

For the XW GTHO phase II's, XY GT's and XY GTHO Falcons, the 351 cleveland was introduced but the 302 stayed as a windsor until the end of production of the XY Falcons and ZD Fairlanes. When the XA Falcon came out they all had clevelands whether it be 302 or 351.

With the 302/351 cleveland, the block is the same. The only differences are of the crank, rods and pistons as well as the heads (302's had closed chamber and 351's had open chamber heads).

With the 289/302 windsor, the block is the same where as the 351 windsor is a different block altogether. However, all windsor's still had the 60 degree V. The cleveland was dropped in 1984 and after a long time in the wilderness, Ford re-released the windsor in the EB Falcon circa 1991/2. The windsor has once again been dropped (2002) for the modular engine which is a 90 degree V configuration.

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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

Pretty much spot on, except Windsors are not 60 degrees. Both Windsor and Cleveland are 90 degree.
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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

Well Racer, I'll be stuffed. All these years I thought the little old windsor was a 60 degree, how wrong was I.

http://xpfalcon.kicks-ass.net/Engine...Degree%20V.htm

http://www.hosac.freeserve.co.uk/For...0Small%20Block

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Re: The differance between winsor & clevland

which one does people think is better? windsor or cleveland?
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