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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-16-03, 03:58 AM Thread Starter
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How much power

I mite be buying a 302 Cleveland soon for my XA Fairmont. The guy im buying it off said it was in a XC and he also said it goes like a 351. How much kW does a stock 302 Clevo put out?

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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old 06-16-03, 09:41 PM
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pre polloution

302 230 hp
351 250 hp

polloution (eg XC onwrads)
302 200 ish
351 220 ish

so not very much if it is a pollution motor it will be as lazy as hell.

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xc have the following,

302 - 151kw@4600 (202hp)
351 - 162kw@4500 (217hp)

Later model clevelands have less, the esp had

302 - 140kw@4500
351 - 149kw@4300

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So are you guys basically saying that the older we go in terms of engines, the better power ratings we are able to squeeze out???

jesus that just doesnt add up... shouldnt we get more hp out of a more "advanced" (ie technically newer) engine?

if not then how is that so?
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As the engines got newer they had to comply to new emission regulations, meaning the power output had to be cut back to reduce emissions and comply with these standards. hence pre pollution engines.

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aaah it all becomes clear, does that mean tho that older cars still have to comply with new emission standards??? i'm guessing so.
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No just the standards that were around at the year of the cars production.

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The engines didn't make any less power. The standards relating to the way they were tested changed. In effect the numbers changed but not much else.

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Those numbers would be at the flywheel i take it?
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Re: How much power

The compression ratios did change.I had early[XA/XB] 351 in XD[still have it in back shed] and an XD mill the early mill had more pulling power and grunt down low,The latter mill with better induction sort of made up for it, up top,imo more fuel consumption too. Speeds over 180kph was about it until some mods on both engines. Both std 4 barrels, Square bore / spread bore...2.7 final drive..

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