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Old 12-12-2005, 14:46   #1 (permalink)
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If you had a choice

I want to go fast faster and fastest. So my question is:

Would you guys build a 331 stroker or just buy a 429 crate engine? The 429 crate is cheaper than the stroker. The 331 would be built from my numbers matching 302 which is in the car now. and smokes like cheechs and chong

I am trying to decide which is a better option.

Currently the car has a C4 and 2.87 rear
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Old 12-12-2005, 15:10   #2 (permalink)
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What car is it in and is the 302 cleveland .
If its a clev I would stroke more than 331 at least 393 would be better alloy etc.
If the 429 works out cheaper and is a easy fit I would concider it alot .
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I want to go fast faster and fastest. So my question is:

Would you guys build a 331 stroker or just buy a 429 crate engine? The 429 crate is cheaper than the stroker. The 331 would be built from my numbers matching 302 which is in the car now. and smokes like cheechs and chong

I am trying to decide which is a better option.

Currently the car has a C4 and 2.87 rear
You'd need to get a bellhousing for a BBF to go with your C4...if the 429 you're talking about is a BB. If you're going to build a stroker, you may as well go to 393 (if 302C) and skip the middleman, if it is a 302W you can go to a 347 and make 520 HP easily, I know, mine made 519 with iron heads.

A 429 being a 351W-based crate engine?

If your car is a 71 Torino, then a 385-series engine is the way to go...but don't stop at 429 CID. You can easily go to 520" and make 670 HP on pump fuel...I know, mine made 667 at a true 9.5:1.

Going fast and faster is fairly expensive after a certain point. As for fastest, the only way to even consider it is to borrow Bill Gates' checkbook for about a month of Sundays.


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What car is it in and is the 302 cleveland .
If its a clev I would stroke more than 331 at least 393 would be better alloy etc.
If the 429 works out cheaper and is a easy fit I would concider it alot .
It is in a 1971 Torino and it is a 302 Cleveland.

The 429 is a crate motor from Ford Racing and would be around $1500 cheaper, than getting my 302 Cleveland stroked out from D.D.S. Comp in St.Charles, IL.

I am not sure if it is a BB or stroked SB
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You'd need to get a bellhousing for a BBF to go with your C4...if the 429 you're talking about is a BB. If you're going to build a stroker, you may as well go to 393 (if 302C) and skip the middleman, if it is a 302W you can go to a 347 and make 520 HP easily, I know, mine made 519 with iron heads.

A 429 being a 351W-based crate engine?

If your car is a 71 Torino, then a 385-series engine is the way to go...but don't stop at 429 CID. You can easily go to 520" and make 670 HP on pump fuel...I know, mine made 667 at a true 9.5:1.

Going fast and faster is fairly expensive after a certain point. As for fastest, the only way to even consider it is to borrow Bill Gates' checkbook for about a month of Sundays.


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The 429 is a Ford Racing Crate Motor. The engine will not be for racing on the track, I just want a cruiser, but fast, quick and responsive when I need it to be. i also what some reliability, meaning I would want a engine which could last 70K, but make over 425 horses

Your 385 suggestion is interesting. Can you tell me what components you use to make that kind of power, and what drive train set up did you use.
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The 429 is a Ford Racing Crate Motor. The engine will not be for racing on the track, I just want a cruiser, but fast, quick and responsive when I need it to be. i also what some reliability, meaning I would want a engine which could last 70K, but make over 425 horses

Your 385 suggestion is interesting. Can you tell me what components you use to make that kind of power, and what drive train set up did you use.
The 385-series is the 429-460 engine block. I highly doubt that the 429 you're considering is a BB. Why go less than 460 with a replacement engine? It must be a stroker SB.

My 520" stroker 385-series engine was based on a 429 Super Cobra Jet 4-bolt main block. It used a Scat 9000-series stroker kit, which is a very inexpensive way to make a boat load of torque. I topped it off with a set of A429 (Jon Kaase) Cobra Jet bare cylinder heads that we're used in "out of the box" condition with only the valvetrain components added...so that I could get the exact springs I wanted on it, etc., rather than ordering up a set of "pre-assembled" heads.



I ran a Dominator, but it didn't need it. FMS makes both a 4150 and a 4500 style inlet manifold for this engine with these heads.

Made 667 HP and 648 TQ. It made over 600 foot pounds from 4000-6800 RPM. I ran a dished piston that gave 9.5:1 compression, even though I could have done quite a bit more compression with the alloy heads, I wanted to be able to run crap pump premo.

The camshaft was an off-the-shelf Comp solid roller. It would have been a fairly hot cam for a 460, but with another 60 cubes, it purred like a kitten.

I had Jere Stahl make me up a set of flanges for it and a set of extractors. For a '71 Torino, you would only have to order up a set of large tube 429 headers, cut the flanges off and weld on the A429 flanges.

The entire engine, including dyno time was about $8500. Very inexpensive and had more grunt than a whale crappin' an aircraft carrier.

In a 2850# car with a C6, 3.89:1 gears and 34.5" tall tires it ran 10.07 with a 6400 RPM pill in the MSD. It regularly ran a 1.19 60-foot, so it had a lot more in it than I was using. I launched it at 4500 RPM. I once left in 2nd gear and ran (can't remember for sure any more) something like a 10.24.

Another full point in compression would work very well, too...and I'd probably go with more camshaft than the one I used, which was Comp PN: 34-710-9 .663"/.663" lift 255/255 duration at .050".

http://www.compcams.com/Technical/Se...umber=34-710-9

It was a fun runner. I sold the engine after wrecking the car. The engine went to a guy with a 4x4 F250.

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It is in a 1971 Torino and it is a 302 Cleveland.

The 429 is a crate motor from Ford Racing and would be around $1500 cheaper, than getting my 302 Cleveland stroked out from D.D.S. Comp in St.Charles, IL.

I am not sure if it is a BB or stroked SB
Whats a 302 cleveland doing in a Torino? 302 cleveland was Australian produced!

Is the 71 Torino Starsky and Hutchs car? Cool!!!
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Whats a 302 cleveland doing in a Torino? 302 cleveland was Australian produced!

Is the 71 Torino Starsky and Hutchs car? Cool!!!

Their car was something like a '74. It was a POS compared to a '71 Torino.


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Whats a 302 cleveland doing in a Torino? 302 cleveland was Australian produced!

Is the 71 Torino Starsky and Hutchs car? Cool!!!
I'm hearing you. They did come out with 351C's, but like you say, the 302C is only an aussie build.

http://www.torinocobra.com/specs.htm

71 Torino, does your top radiator hose go into the block or inlet manifold?

What is the engine code on your compliance plate?

L=260-6cyl, F= 302-V8, H= 351w-V8, M= 351c-V8, C=429cj-8cyl
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I'm hearing you. They did come out with 351C's, but like you say, the 302C is only an aussie build.

http://www.torinocobra.com/specs.htm

71 Torino, does your top radiator hose go into the block or inlet manifold?

What is the engine code on your compliance plate?

L=260-6cyl, F= 302-V8, H= 351w-V8, M= 351c-V8, C=429cj-8cyl
H-code would most likely be a 351C-2V and M-code would be a 351C-4V on every single '71 Torino that I've ever seen. I've never even seen a (factory installed) 351W in any of 70-72 Torinos/Rancheros. These were the Cleveland years...though, as always, Ford could have installed both engines with the same letter designation.

And don't forget the J-code, which was the 429 SCJ. I had a 1971 J-code Torino with a 4-speed "big input" top loader. These were one of the most fun cars ever produced by Ford that "average" people could kind of afford. Either of the C or J coded Torinos would give a big block Camaro a run.


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