Numb Nut in States calling Cleveland a Big Block... - Ford Forums - Mustang Forum, Ford Trucks, Ford Focus and Ford Cars

davis · 01-28-2006, 18:41

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...DME:L:RTQ:US:1

...yet another wanker calling the Cleveland a big block.

I sent him a message via eBay telling him that a Cleveland was a small block, here was his response:

you are wrong and better go do some more reserch. The 260/289/302/351W are the same block and are small blocks. The 351C/351M/400 are Big blocks. This is ford not chevy

Anyone else care to tell him that the Cleveland is a small block Ford?

:davis:

Sorry mate, just edited your title - I'm hearing your frustration

TruBlu

falcon coupe · 01-28-2006, 18:59

Done.......is 460 extra big block then ?

potty · 01-28-2006, 19:17

Ha ,once had a sprint boat Chevy fella say the same thing to me?

Red04VXE · 01-28-2006, 19:18

Done ask why clevo is big block when smaller deck height than 351W

XAFALCONGS · 01-28-2006, 19:29

I hit him to. Here is what I posted:

How do you figure a 351C is a big block? You can bolt C heads on a 302 or a 351W. A 351C uses the same motor mounts and bellhousing as a 302/351W. And a 351C has a lower deck height than a 351W, 9.2" vs 9.5". A 351C is a Ford 335 Series engine. Like the Windsors, it isn't a small block and it isn't a big block because it isn't a Chevy.

--J

351cid · 01-28-2006, 19:43

sent him a bit of a note to help explain which ford engines are called big blocks and which are called small blocks.

all very polite and diplomatic

he is proberly thinking .... geees there are a lot of touchy clevo owners out there

4Vman · 01-28-2006, 20:25

What a w@nker, Factory 4" bore = small block.

351cid · 01-28-2006, 20:57

that engine mount looks to have a bolt/ rivet through it.... is that a genuine thing for the mustang mount.

we have to do this mod ourselves to falcon mounts.

Aussiblue · 01-28-2006, 21:12

To further the debate there are some interesting comments here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/091...lance&n=283155

Quote:

A side note on the 351 Cleveland issue: The Cleveland is NOT a small block ford. It is not a big block (FE Series) either. It is part of Ford's 335 family of powerplants which includes the 351-400M (Modified or Michigan Series.) 335 Series engines' heads and some other components are interchangeable. They also share the bellhousing pattern with the big block family and will not bolt up to small block bellhousings or earlier transmissions like the C6 with the integrated bellhouse. Simply because the displacement of the 351C engine is the same as the largest small block does not also make the Cleveland a "small" block. It is the block casting and style that earn SBFs this classification, not the displacement. "

Perhaps as is suggested on the same link it should be called a "middle block." A Google search of "351C middle block" with show some support for the case that it's not a small or big block.

Aussiblue · 01-28-2006, 21:22

or perhaps it is a "big small block" see http://www.californiaspecial.com/for...ast-model.html

[/QUOTE]'The Ford 351 Cleveland, on the other hand, belongs to Ford's 335 engine family. This thin-wall cast BIG SMALL BLOCK uses the smaller 14mm spark plugs, has a separate front cover (bolted to the block) housing the timing chain and routing water - so that water does not go through the intake manifold, features beefy main caps (wide enough to drill for 4-bolt mains), a poor oiling system, and uses different heads for 2V & 4V versions. The heads make all the difference and these fire breathing babies make this motor the legend it is. On the 4V, the valves are HUGE, measuring 2.19" intake and 1.7n" exhaust. Valves this large are only possible via a canted valve arrangement, forming what Ford refers to as a "poly-angle" combustion chamber. The valve covers are not straight - the front is flat and parallel to the ground, but a curve twists the rear parallel to the head. They are attached by 8-bolts and when removed, there is a 4 cast into the corner of the 4V and a 2 cast into the corner of the 2V (at least in 1970). The canted valves are the dead giveaway. [QUOTE]