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Old 04-24-2004, 01:36   #1 (permalink)
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pacemaker 4-2-1's

hi all
the bloke from a reputable exhaust shop quoted me 580 bux for a set of tri-y's built by pacemaker, is he ripping me off?..
also he said that i shouldnt bother with 4-1's cause im not going past 5500 with my 302, and said that the 4-2-1's are better for torque, which is wot im after, but in ur opinion which is better?

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Old 04-24-2004, 02:02   #2 (permalink)
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$580?

That seems a little excessive considering VPW sell pacemaker tri-y (4-2-1) extractors for $430 (part number PM-4050). He must value his labour very highly!

He's right in saying tri-y's will give you better torque, but if he's asking $150 just to install a set of extractors i'd tell him where to go.
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XDC351 : Part of the $580 will be courier/delivery costs. I'd expect about $80 of that just for the courier as it'd be same day delivery.

Another part of that cost is gaskets/extractor bolts and so on.

$580 is around what most exhaust shops would charge fitted unless the have the extractors in stock.

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Re: pacemaker 4-2-1's

Tri-y's will be better for your application.

Unless you have your welding gear pay the $150 for the install. Including gaskets & flanges to join up your system the guy is not even charging you for 2 hrs labour @ say $60p/h. If he's charging any less than that he won't be there next time you go back cause he will have gone broke!
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When I had my exhaust made I supplied the extractors and mufflers and paid $300 for them to be installed and a complete end to end 2 1/2" system.

I personally would shop around and find out how much they want just to install the extractors if you supplied them.
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Re: pacemaker 4-2-1's

I think Tri-Y are good for 5500 rpm and Tuned are good for over 5500rpm.
4 u go the Tri-Y with a twin 2.25" system or a single 2.5". Use good Turbo muff's.
Check Ebay, VPW, PW, SSS, Rocket, etc + freight to compare prices BUT buy local.
I have had dramas sending stuff back. Return freight can kill you. At least the local guy has to pay for it and remember you know where he is and who he is !!!
I really think in your case the style of system and choice of mufflers will be the real challenge/problem.
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Re: pacemaker 4-2-1's

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When I had my exhaust made I supplied the extractors and mufflers and paid $300 for them to be installed and a complete end to end 2 1/2" system.

I personally would shop around and find out how much they want just to install the extractors if you supplied them.
What date where they installed? Where they new/in stock? What brand? You'll probably find some of the cost was absorbed into the exhuast system itself.

The reason I say this is 2 years ago I got my Pacemaker 4-1's installed along side my twin 2 1/2" system. Took the guys @ Barney's exhausts (now Hallam Perf Exh) about 1/2 a day to do. Total cost $1020. I was quoted from memory $580 for the extractors.

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Re: pacemaker 4-2-1's

XDman, ive got a good set ot tri-ys if your interested. I too got a set of pacemaker 4 to 1's (4070) fitted recently. They cost me $500, then i got twin 2-1/2 to the diff and exctractors fitted and cost me 820 all up. I thought expensive, but i think they would of been a pain in the arse to fit. They also cut the extractors at the flange between cylinder 1 and 2 to get on. Has anyone else had this when getting fitted, with motor in the car. I thought a bit sus???
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What date where they installed? Where they new/in stock? What brand? You'll probably find some of the cost was absorbed into the exhuast system itself.

The reason I say this is 2 years ago I got my Pacemaker 4-1's installed along side my twin 2 1/2" system. Took the guys @ Barney's exhausts (now Hallam Perf Exh) about 1/2 a day to do. Total cost $1020. I was quoted from memory $580 for the extractors.

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This was last year.

As I said I supplied the extractors and mufflers which I bought from VPW. The extractors are pacemaker 4070's and the mufflers are edelbrock RPM stainless race mufflers (cost me almost as much as the extractors!).

All up including the X pipe being installed at a later stage it cost me $1200, would have been less if I had it all done at the same time though.
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XDman, ive got a good set ot tri-ys if your interested. I too got a set of pacemaker 4 to 1's (4070) fitted recently. They cost me $500, then i got twin 2-1/2 to the diff and exctractors fitted and cost me 820 all up. I thought expensive, but i think they would of been a pain in the arse to fit. They also cut the extractors at the flange between cylinder 1 and 2 to get on. Has anyone else had this when getting fitted, with motor in the car. I thought a bit sus???
XDclevo : Yes thats a tad odd. As XA->XE all have the same size engine bays. It does take technique to get them in on the driver side. The passenger side falls in. I've had mine out and put them back in myself a few times.

Mine are PN 4070 also.

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