Just looking for some opinions. My mate is currently doing up a 1989 Honda Prelude. he's putting a year 2000 Vtec engine in it. Apparently these are good. He also plans on supercharging it.
I am currently rebuilding an XC coupe. When i'm finished with the engine i hope to have around 500-550 horses and HOPEFULLY around 800-900 Nm torque. (Yes, I have money to burn.) Its a 351.
My question is: which one do you all out there think would be faster off a straight line, as in accelleration and even top speed?
I'm pretty sure mine would be but he thinks otherwise.
Are your eyes even open???
My folks own a honda Prelude, and whilst yes they really go hammer & tongs after you hit around 5000 rpms, the genuine 500 hp would have it in the bag...
What is your mate smoking....
The coupe easy. Best the Honda would do is about 15.2 sec 1/4. A bloke I know owns a 2000 or 2001 type R and 15.2's about it for him. Although I know of a 314kw @ the wheels CRX that'd eat the 500hp coupe for breakfast.
I am curious to see the longevity of the Honda engine with the high hp though
Fecking hell, are you insane? The coupe would TROMP a Prelude, whatever the model, with that sort of guts. Power to weight ratios, mate - unless the Prelude is lightened to about 800kg, not a chance.
Yeah i brought the car at the start of this year. I spend 90% of my money on it. Right now the rust is my priority but when thats being done the engine is coming out. I've got a budget of about $10-11,000 for the engine and one of my friends is a motor rebuilder's apprentice or something along those lines, so I'm taking the engine to him for rebuilding and working as he can get me a cheaper price. The guy i brought the coupe off said that he had already spent about $5000 on the engine and although its got a few decent bits and pieces on it i'm still a bit skeptical so i'm still overhauling the engine.
The rust is being done in late august early september, so the engine is going to have to wait until about april next year. Right now the car still looks quite crap so i havent bothered with photos yet but when it starts to look better i'll put a few pics up.
Thanks for all your opinions. i'm giving my mate the url for this post hehe.
By the time you get 550hp and then a complete set up to get it running that will handle that power, you'd better have more than $10,000 to burn. Just a quick list of mine, and its nother overly special.
1/ alloy heads $4000
2/ manifold $400
3/ 750 demon $940
4/ fuel system $500
5/ exhaust system and 4 into 1's $900
6/ decent stally for auto $800
7/ my c4 nearly finished $2000
8/ complet 9 inch spooled up $1000
9/ bottom end to handle 450 hp $3000(probably conservative)
10/ rollers/pushrods/guide plates ect $1000
And much much much much much more not listed, and i did all of my own work......
good luck.
"1/ alloy heads $4000
2/ manifold $400
3/ 750 demon $940
4/ fuel system $500
5/ exhaust system and 4 into 1's $900
6/ decent stally for auto $800
7/ my c4 nearly finished $2000
8/ complet 9 inch spooled up $1000
9/ bottom end to handle 450 hp $3000(probably conservative)
10/ rollers/pushrods/guide plates ect $1000
And much much much much much more not listed, and i did all of my own work......
good luck."
That $10,000 didnt include the diff, or trans, just the engine itself and the extractors etc.
The trans has its own $2500 budget. Ive heard a c10 or a c6 is the way to go with that much horsepower though? ideas anyone?
Yeah, if it's only the motor you have to build for that money, you could get there. Just add some money on for all the bits that are forgotton on the budget. You will have heaps of thing that are over looked or pop their head up when not expected. I just got my c4 (c10) back yesterday. It will cost me $2000 with the alloy pan and 4 gear panetries and full build with full manual valve body. Just remember the C4 is weak in the 1st gear planetries set. If you do burnouts and are real hard on 1st gear, these fail.
He may beat you on the street...............................with a genuine 500+ HP you'll be just sitting there spinning you treads. :wnc:
A genuine and reliable 500+ HP Clevo will cost you much much more than you think !!!!!!
As many other wise people have said, It's not just the motor that you need to factor in.
The difference between a 10 second Clevo and a Clevo that lasts 10 seconds is all in the quality and compatibility of the parts and the know how of the build.
You'll need 15-20k for 500hp plus, if you want it reliable.
But, it will then eat the Honda, no question.
You wouldn't make 800-900nm of torque either, more like 600nm.
600nm is a hell of a lot, but if you did want more, forced induction is the only easy way to get well over 800nm with a stock stroke 351.
Stroking will probably get you 700nm.
A big block will also get you up around 800nm.
"1/ alloy heads $4000
2/ manifold $400
3/ 750 demon $940
4/ fuel system $500
5/ exhaust system and 4 into 1's $900
6/ decent stally for auto $800
7/ my c4 nearly finished $2000
8/ complet 9 inch spooled up $1000
9/ bottom end to handle 450 hp $3000(probably conservative)
10/ rollers/pushrods/guide plates ect $1000
And much much much much much more not listed, and i did all of my own work......
good luck."
That $10,000 didnt include the diff, or trans, just the engine itself and the extractors etc.
The trans has its own $2500 budget. Ive heard a c10 or a c6 is the way to go with that much horsepower though? ideas anyone?
XC Coupe '78,
I've just got my rebuilt C6 back into my F100. I fried all of the clutches & blew the seals out of it. Anyway, it cost $2500 to have the box rebuilt to heavy duty specs with a stage 2 shift kit. I then spent $1000 on the 3500 rpm Eliminator stally & another $450 on a good cooler kit for it ( it has a fan on it so that it can be mounted anywhere & still draw cool air through it).
The engine has cost about $18000 so far. You always need more money for more horsepower, & then more horsepower ends up breaking something else down the line.
Your mate is smoking crack XC. I own an 88 Prelude and an EL (and had an XA) . There just is no comparison. Even with a blower and V-Tec motor, he'd never get near an XC with 500hp. FFS a stock EL 6-cyl can smoke a stock Prelude in a drag. He's pushing shit up a hill if he thinks he's gonna take out even a 400hp XC.
Thanks everyone. Next year i have a factory job reserved for me which pays $750 a week after tax. This job is already guaranteed. I live at home. I dont pay rent. I have deferred university for one year so that i can work and rebuild my car. I have taken next year off for this sole purpose, and that is basically the sole purpose i plan on working for. $35-40,000, yealry income, depending on other factors, of which i dont mind spending $30,000 of on my car, and the rest on necessities like food and petrol etc.
When i said i had money to spend on my car, I knew it wouldnt be cheap and i meant i had the money. Sucks though that i'll need to supercharge to crank out maximum torque.
XCCoupe 78 - your concern should not be beating a honda - it's more of why you should throw that much money away chasing an unreliable dream. Take if from me, I spent over $60k on my coupe and I could have still spent another $20k with a couple of phone calls. If you want that much power, there's bigger things you need to spend money on, for eg, a 4 link rear end, really tough 9inch carrier and gearset, strong axles, strong tailshaft, billet unis the list goes on. My coupe made just over 400fhp and 550nm torque and bent a tailshaft, lunched two C4s (with imported hardened gearsets), smashed a GTHO yoke and was generally a beast of a car. Had her for 14 years though and was sad to see her go. But I had to buy another car because I couldn't park it anywhere either and the fuel consumption was horrendous!!!
Take if from me, you'd be so much better off, going to uni, saving wisely and then playing with cars. Spend the bucks on a house. I learnt the hard way but now after 9 years of part time study - I can afford to eat and play with nice cars.
XC coupe ur mate dreaming the honda prelude im pretty sure is a front wheel drie car especially of the year 88, even if he got 500hp out of it like a magna that races at the plex even with slicks and over 600hp they claim is strugglin with high 11s if u can get 500fwhp with a decent stall and ratios definately solid roller ull kill him. and 500 fwhp is possible on 10k u just need to shop around VPW, Performance Warehouse are a couple of places to check out dont buy from local performance shops cause ull be lucky to get 400hp for that.Id suggest strokin it as theres no substitute for cubes(atleast 2k for a 378 stroker)has to be a solid cam or solid roller(between 1k and 1.5k for roller cam and lifters) wouldnt bother with anything else combined with a set of 4v port tongued heads(1.5k-2k) and good valve gear(1.5-2k) a tfc manifold(700) decent carby(600-1k), Msd ignition(1k-1.5k) and pacemaker tuned length (2" primarys and 3.5" collectors Ford engines love to breathe, 700) so yeh 12k atleast ud need and 500fwhp + is definately achievable. Good luck
Dont get me wrong, my concern is not beating the the Honda. Thats not why I'm building this car. Ive wanted a coupe since i was 7 and its my dream car. Thats why i'm willing to spend big and build big. Just how big we'll see after all the advice ive gotten so far. Theres no point putting my car off unitl i'm old. I'll have a house to pay off, Uni fees to pay off and most likely kids to put through school.
I'm still going to Uni, but i want to finish tinkering with my car first, while i dont have any debts and while i still have an excuse for driving like a hoon.
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Thanks for the advice, i'll take that into account, and thanks for the parts list. The honda is front wheel drive. I never realised it was so costly to build torque. I admit ive been pretty naive and it will be alot more work then i thought and a lot more money. oh well. got to learn somewhere. Either way, we'll see how many horses i'll be pulling down the track.
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